How many 'Acceptable scores for H/cap' have you played this past season'?

[Vikingman]

13.1
32
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[Golfloveruk]

If people are throwing in enough competition cards then I really don’t see the need to bang in GP scores unless you are trying to fiddle / boost your HC

Would be interesting to see peoples average scores during their comp rounds vs gp rounds.

You shouldn’t be scoring more in GP rounds in my opinion

Whereas people not putting GP scores in could be considered as either protecting their HI from going down or deliberately maintaining a vanity cap.

I’ve got more than double the number of GP rounds than comp rounds. I put cards in almost every time I play with another person if I know I’m going to finish in the light. No matter where I’m playing or what the weather it. I play to the rules because I want to shoot the best score I can every time I play.

I would argue my HI is more accurate than someone who picks and chooses which scores they are going to enter, or only enters comp scores.

All the guff about playing swindles with gimmies is just excuses for people wanting to protect their index in my opinion.

 

[jim8flog]

I keep reading about "getting their handicaps up", yet the soft cap and hard cap should limit increases. Are they not in effect or not effective?
I know that I've been in the soft cap range periodically.

I have been in soft cap range a couple of times and very almost at hard cap this April (not played since) so my low index will now have changed anyway.
Declining golfer with a lot of injuries. I was putting in regular GP cards following a serious accident so my H.I went up fairly swiftly. In an earlier year I may have requested an handicap review but just decided to let the WHS do it's job.

 

[woofers]

Fair enough. A better reason your GP might be higher is that in GP you can use 2 shot pen for lost ball as opposed to go back in comps

Both GP and Comp will use ‘adjusted gross score’ which limits any hole to a nett double bogey.

 

[woofers]

If people are throwing in enough competition cards then I really don’t see the need to bang in GP scores unless you are trying to fiddle / boost your HC

Would be interesting to see peoples average scores during their comp rounds vs gp rounds.

You shouldn’t be scoring more in GP rounds in my opinion

That Comp rounds v GP rounds report is available to your handicap secretary / committee and is probably what EG use when balloting for Elite events (but that’s a whole new discussion).

 

[Bamberdele2.0]

Whereas people not putting GP scores in could be considered as either protecting their HI from going down or deliberately maintaining a vanity cap.

I’ve got more than double the number of GP rounds than comp rounds. I put cards in almost every time I play with another person if I know I’m going to finish in the light. No matter where I’m playing or what the weather it. I play to the rules because I want to shoot the best score I can every time I play.

I would argue my HI is more accurate than someone who picks and chooses which scores they are going to enter, or only enters comp scores.

All the guff about playing swindles with gimmies is just excuses for people wanting to protect their index in my opinion.

When digging I’m always bemused as to how some people score a lot better during comp rounds compared to the GP rounds they have submitted, especially when I know they are chasing OM points, board comps etc.

For record our competition tees are much more difficult than GP tees.

One person in fact has been rumbled to the point where the secretary has limited a chap to posting only 1 GP card in per month which has to be authorised pre round through our secretary.

This has created some well justified banter around our club.

That Comp rounds v GP rounds report is available to your handicap secretary / committee and is probably what EG use when balloting for Elite events (but that’s a whole new discussion).

Correct. And he has put that report to good use and pretty much banned people from posting GP cards.

He was leading our order of merit by a considerable amount so the secretary did some research and his report found his GP scores average were worse than his comp scores average.

hence why I don’t understand why some people feel the need to put in GP rounds if they play enough competition rounds

 

[Orikoru]

When digging I’m always bemused as to how some people score a lot better during comp rounds compared to the GP rounds they have submitted, especially when I know they are chasing OM points, board comps etc.

For record our competition tees are much more difficult than GP tees.

One person in fact has been rumbled to the point where the secretary has limited a chap to posting only 1 GP card in per month which has to be authorised pre round through our secretary.

This has created some well justified banter around our club.




Correct. And he has put that report to good use and pretty much banned people from posting GP cards.

He was leading our order of merit by a considerable amount so the secretary did some research and his report found his GP scores average were worse than his comp scores average.

hence why I don’t understand why some people feel the need to put in GP rounds if they play enough competition rounds

I'm not sure this should be happening as it's completely at odds with the intention of WHS. If people are putting a lot of GP cards in, it's because we've been told to.

 

[cliveb]

When does the season start?
Since April:
24 comp cards
1 GP card
current HI: 15.9

Of more interest is the distribution of scores - the standard deviation of my score differentials is 3.76
My WHS results graph looks like the Himalayas!
Think I may be the world's most inconsistent golfer.

I play a lot of social golf, but it's usually fourball matchplay, so no GP cards for them.

PS. Regarding Tashy's use of the word "rammel". I always thought it meant much the same as "pants". Does that make sense?

 

[2blue]

PS. Regarding Tashy's use of the word "rammel". I always thought it meant much the same as "pants". Does that make sense?

Makes sense to me... it's the political language of Scabs

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

7.2
13
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[2blue]

5.1
90 cards.
As far as I'm concerned they're all competition cards as I'm always playing against someone, always played to the rules and I'm always trying my best so I make no distinction.
Plus I can't be bothered to go though them all....

I thought I could recall you previously saying that you don't play in Club Comps due to the variety of others players interpretation of the Rules?

 

[Dunesman]

20.4
21 competition cards
11 GP cards

Looking at them, my GP cards as a whole are not as good as my competition ones, so GP cards probably raising my HI a bit. I am not a big fan of them, and just dont take them as seriously. I start with intent, but as they are normally with friends and nothing at stake so to speak, its easy to get distracted by the conversation, the fun of playing, and a tendency to try shots I probably shouldnt, and probably wouldnt, in a proper competition. The tendency is probably giving my handicap one shot extra maybe.

 

[AussieKB]

Have done 55 Comp rounds since the 1st June, was away in Thailand for two weeks in August/September, so would have put another 6 extra cards in at leas, so well on my way for 120 for the year which is average for me.

 

[sunshine]

Fair enough. A better reason your GP might be higher is that in GP you can use 2 shot pen for lost ball as opposed to go back in comps

If I lose a ball in a GP round and can't be bothered to return to the tee, I'll drop another ball roughly where I think it should have been and play on, but I'll NR the hole.

Never heard about this 2 shot penalty thing being acceptable for HC scoring. Doing this I'm quite likely to make a gross double bogey. Doesn't feel right.

 

[cliveb]

If I lose a ball in a GP round and can't be bothered to return to the tee, I'll drop another ball roughly where I think it should have been and play on, but I'll NR the hole.

Never heard about this 2 shot penalty thing being acceptable for HC scoring. Doing this I'm quite likely to make a gross double bogey. Doesn't feel right.

Last I heard, if the model LR allowing this action following a lost ball is in use, then CONGU have said that scores are not acceptable for HC.
(Which is probably why no clubs I'm aware of have employed that LR).
Has this changed?

 

[PJ87]

Last I heard, if the model LR allowing this action following a lost ball is in use, then CONGU have said that scores are not acceptable for HC.
(Which is probably why no clubs I'm aware of have employed that LR).
Has this changed?

One of the stupidest rules I've ever heard. Bring in a rule to speed up play but don't authorise it to be used in majority of play

 

[mikejohnchapman]

5.2
12
8 All away

 

[cliveb]

One of the stupidest rules I've ever heard. Bring in a rule to speed up play but don't authorise it to be used in majority of play

I guess you could see it that way.
But the rule effectively gives you the equivalent of a provisional that always finds the (edge of the) fairway. So I can see why CONGU consider it unacceptable.

 

[PJ87]

I guess you could see it that way.
But the rule effectively gives you the equivalent of a provisional that always finds the (edge of the) fairway. So I can see why CONGU consider it unacceptable.

Costs you an extra shot tho doesn't it? I mean say you hit an tee shot and think you will find it but don't.. you didn't provisional because you thought you would find it... So instead of the next shot being for 4 , it's playing 5 ..so it's hardly an advantage

 

[cliveb]

Costs you an extra shot tho doesn't it? I mean say you hit an tee shot and think you will find it but don't.. you didn't provisional because you thought you would find it... So instead of the next shot being for 4 , it's playing 5 ..so it's hardly an advantage

No it doesn't.
You've played 1 off the tee and it's lost.
So using this LR, you drop another ball on the edge of the fairway equidistant from the hole to where you think the lost ball probably is located, with a 2 stroke penalty.
So you're now playing 4, not 5. Same as if you'd played a provisional that ended up in the same place.
But of course you haven't actually played a provisional - which may well have also been lost, or ended up in a horrible spot.
This LR gives you a "risk-free provisional".