How many 'Acceptable scores for H/cap' have you played this past season'?

[Arthur Wedge]

@Arthur Wedge @rosecott

Right I've found it

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This is from the whs handicap handbook 2024

Clearly says you can use it no? Well I say clearly. It uses a lot of words to put it out there that it could be acceptable

From that it needs to be the committee to decide if the GP can be submitted if someone has used the local rule depending on the circumstances- what they are and what difference they make who knows but will be if the rule is being used to gain an advantage

 

[PJ87]

From that it needs to be the committee to decide if the GP can be submitted if someone has used the local rule depending on the circumstances- what they are and what difference they make who knows but will be if the rule is being used to gain an advantage

This brings me full circle back to the original point. When playing with my mate who's on the committee he told me I can use it. Card being submitted (not a comp)

I was then told that he shouldn't be allowed near the committee by @rosecott , and to read the rules. Which I have.

The rules clearly state that it can be used for general play but it's up to the committee

Considering I was playing with a member of the committee id say that's pretty much case closed

 

[Arthur Wedge]

This brings me full circle back to the original point. When playing with my mate who's on the committee he told me I can use it. Card being submitted (not a comp)

I was then told that he shouldn't be allowed near the committee by @rosecott , and to read the rules. Which I have.

The rules clearly state that it can be used for general play but it's up to the committee

Considering I was playing with a member of the committee id say that's pretty much case closed

Your committee would need to ensure that its communicated very well and also from that I don’t see it as a blanket rule for all in all situations which isn’t ideal

 

[badgergm]

Back on topic

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We have lots of comps , not many GP cards submitted.

 

[PJ87]

Your committee would need to ensure that its communicated very well and also from that I don’t see it as a blanket rule for all in all situations which isn’t ideal

However you do now admit that it is in the official handbook ? So this whole debate is kinda pointless as I've taken the time to look into the actual rules and they state it can be used. So whilst you believe it isn't quicker which is fine that's your opinion the rule is there to be used in general play as by the whs handbook of 2024 which is the most up to date document available.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

However you do now admit that it is in the official handbook ? So this whole debate is kinda pointless as I've taken the time to look into the actual rules and they state it can be used. So whilst you believe it isn't quicker which is fine that's your opinion the rule is there to be used in general play as by the whs handbook of 2024 which is the most up to date document available.

The rule has always been there to be used - when it came out we were informed it wasn’t to be used in handicap qualifying ( before GP scores were submitted) and I can’t recall being informed of any changes but then we haven’t had the local rule in place . They even then they haven’t made it clear in the rule with the “might” which helps no one - easiest solution would be to provide a definitive one way or the other as they did before WHS

If your committee is allowing cards to be submitted when players are using the rule then there will be no issues with it

And back to the original point - you will be hitting your 4th shot after the drop

 

[PJ87]

The rule has always been there to be used - when it came out we were informed it wasn’t to be used in handicap qualifying ( before GP scores were submitted) and I can’t recall being informed of any changes but then we haven’t had the local rule in place . They even then they haven’t made it clear in the rule with the “might” which helps no one - easiest solution would be to provide a definitive one way or the other as they did before WHS

If your committee is allowing cards to be submitted when players are using the rule then there will be no issues with it

Isn't part of the reason because whs involves putting cards in all over the place

So saying it might not be in play here but you can use it could mean right Paul goes to play Woburn who haven't got it in play but he is our member and we authorise it so it's fine in our opinion ?

Then the fact that many people are now just igolf members, who's their committee?

For me the idea of whs was to get a better idea of people's handicap in form. IE your playing fantastic in your weekly games you go down. Your not going to not use this new rule if it's simple so it still gives a good reflection of someone's ability which is why I my opinion anyways whs seem to allow it here.

Congu was very different, but that was because it was only club members who got handicaps and didn't every card need to go through the committee for processing?


Congu is gone and not coming back this is the now and the up to date documents say it can be used.

However not in actual comps!

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Isn't part of the reason because whs involves putting cards in all over the place

So saying it might not be in play here but you can use it could mean right Paul goes to play Woburn who haven't got it in play but he is our member and we authorise it so it's fine in our opinion ?

Then the fact that many people are now just igolf members, who's their committee?

For me the idea of whs was to get a better idea of people's handicap in form. IE your playing fantastic in your weekly games you go down. Your not going to not use this new rule if it's simple so it still gives a good reflection of someone's ability which is why I my opinion anyways whs seem to allow it here.

Congu was very different, but that was because it was only club members who got handicaps and didn't every card need to go through the committee for processing?


Congu is gone and not coming back this is the now and the up to date documents say it can be used.

However not in actual comps!

Well Congu itself is the governing body which is still around but what they do who knows as the WHS is implemented by the different bodies slightly different

Every GP card still goes through committee- they have the ability to remove cards etc

igolf members are administered by the governing body

The idea behind the new rule wasn’t great - it allows someone a free provisional and that’s why many clubs ignored it and didn’t allow it

When it comes to GP cards there are prob a number of rules that are broken when people enter them - hence why many opens and comps restrict the amount that you can have

 

[wjemather]

...Congu... is still around...

Is it? The website went offline a long time ago, GB&I handicapping manuals and guidance no longer have CONGU branding (all earlier issues did), and the limited company was dissolved earlier this year.

 

[D-S]

However you do now admit that it is in the official handbook ? So this whole debate is kinda pointless as I've taken the time to look into the actual rules and they state it can be used. So whilst you believe it isn't quicker which is fine that's your opinion the rule is there to be used in general play as by the whs handbook of 2024 which is the most up to date document available.

Is this officially LR in place at your club?

If not surely you can’t decide to implement it on an individual basis? Otherwise you could choose to adopt MLR E-3, Preferred Lies, whenever you fancied it. The fact that someone sits on a committee is irrelevant, it is whether the club has officially adopted it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Is it? The website went offline a long time ago, GB&I handicapping manuals and guidance no longer have CONGU branding (all earlier issues did), and the limited company was dissolved earlier this year.

https://static.clubhouse.scottishgolf.org/clubs/1000/uploads/files_and_docs/handicapping/handicapping%20advice%20v2_5.pdf

The governing bodies have them still about

 

[Imurg]

All I remember is that CONGU outlawed the use less than a week after it came into being..at least in rounds counting for handicap
If CONGU is no longer around...does that decision still stand..?

 

[wjemather]

https://static.clubhouse.scottishgolf.org/clubs/1000/uploads/files_and_docs/handicapping/handicapping%20advice%20v2_5.pdf

The governing bodies have them still about

It often takes years for all these things to get updated and change/remove references to old organisation names.

Note: document change control approval hasn't been 'CONGU' for a long time.

 

[sunshine]

How is it “factually faster”

To take a drop you need to follow the process

Make the spot , then take two clubs, then take the drop

That’s not a split second action and plenty take their time over it - as opposed to walking 5 or 10 yards to another ball and hitting it

Of course it’s faster. He slices his ball 200 yards into the trees, walks 250 yards up the fairway to look for his ball in the rough, after 3 minutes search he can’t find it so walks another 50 yards up the hole and drops it on the edge of the fairway.

That is so much quicker than hitting a provisional which is equally likely to be another slice into trouble.

 

[Deijavoo]

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67 cards in 2024 so far but not sure on the split between comps and GP.

Took 5 weeks off golf with an injury too.