How do you break down statistics?

[kid2]

I've been using the Hole19 app since January and find it good but I can't figure out how to break down my statistics to see where I can knock another couple of shots off the handicap.

Yesterday I shot 76 (+5) but only hit 44% fairways 54% greens and had 35 putts.
I've done this also before where I've had less putts but might have shot the same score.

Do I need to hit more greens and get the ball closer to the hole to give more chances of 1 putts?
My Scrambling stats for yesterday were 100% according to the app.

 

[NWJocko]

I've been using the Hole19 app since January and find it good but I can't figure out how to break down my statistics to see where I can knock another couple of shots off the handicap.

Yesterday I shot 76 (+5) but only hit 44% fairways 54% greens and had 35 putts.
I've done this also before where I've had less putts but might have shot the same score.

Do I need to hit more greens and get the ball closer to the hole to give more chances of 1 putts?
My Scrambling stats for yesterday were 100% according to the app.

Yes :thup:

Although that may be easier if you were hitting more fairways and/or improved your long putting

This way madness can lie!!

 

[nickjdavis]

Fairways hit are irrelevant in themselves. what is important is the number of tee shots you play that seriously degrade your change of hitting Green in Reg. So you could hit a monster drive that was five yards off the fairway that may still easily allow you to get on the green....or you could nob one down the middle that trundles along and just reaches the fairway....but leaves you 250 to the green. One of these will count as a Fairway hit, the other wont.....but I'd rather have the shot that allows me to hit the green with my second.

Greens In Reg (where you still had a chance of hitting the green after your drive) are a good indication of your iron play.

Number of putts is irrelevant.

Putts per Green in Reg is useful.

First putt distance when GIR is achieved is very useful..... lets say your average first putt distance when GIR is achieved is 50ft.....and your putts/GIR is 2.5......you may think that you need to improve your putting....but actually you might see a better improvement if you improved your approach accuracy.....get your first putt distance down to 25ft and you may well see your putts/GIR go down to 2.

....and from the above you can see the can of worms that is slowly opening!!!!.....indeed "this way madness can lie" was a truthful quote!!!!

 

[kid2]

Yes :thup:

Although that may be easier if you were hitting more fairways and/or improved your long putting

This way madness can lie!!

My lag putting would be decent Jocko. I can be all over the map off the tee with the driver on the par 5's and long par 4's at times.

 

[kid2]

Fairways hit are irrelevant in themselves. what is important is the number of tee shots you play that seriously degrade your change of hitting Green in Reg. So you could hit a monster drive that was five yards off the fairway that may still easily allow you to get on the green....or you could nob one down the middle that trundles along and just reaches the fairway....but leaves you 250 to the green. One of these will count as a Fairway hit, the other wont.....but I'd rather have the shot that allows me to hit the green with my second.

Greens In Reg (where you still had a chance of hitting the green after your drive) are a good indication of your iron play.

Number of putts is irrelevant.

Putts per Green in Reg is useful.

First putt distance when GIR is achieved is very useful..... lets say your average first putt distance when GIR is achieved is 50ft.....and your putts/GIR is 2.5......you may think that you need to improve your putting....but actually you might see a better improvement if you improved your approach accuracy.....get your first putt distance down to 25ft and you may well see your putts/GIR go down to 2.

....and from the above you can see the can of worms that is slowly opening!!!!.....indeed "this way madness can lie" was a truthful quote!!!!

I see now.
It's a safe bet to say so that I need more green in regulation with a greater emphasis on closer proximity to the hole.

 

[Norrin Radd]

just dont forget that the top tour pros average over twenty feet in their proximity to the hole.

 

[nickjdavis]

just dont forget that the top tour pros average over twenty feet in their proximity to the hole.

Indeed.....but dont forget that pros are hitting greens from 200yds plus....I dont think that's true of a huge proportion of "handicap golfers" (though I note that the OP is a better golfer than most in terms of his h'cap)....so then we have to factor in approach distance v. proximity to hole when GIR is hit.

the worm can grows ever faster!!!

 

[AmandaJR]

In the past I've found it useful to identify holes that are playing tougher than they "should" and look at them in isolation in terms of course management.

 

[fundy]

I've been using the Hole19 app since January and find it good but I can't figure out how to break down my statistics to see where I can knock another couple of shots off the handicap.

Yesterday I shot 76 (+5) but only hit 44% fairways 54% greens and had 35 putts.
I've done this also before where I've had less putts but might have shot the same score.

Do I need to hit more greens and get the ball closer to the hole to give more chances of 1 putts?
My Scrambling stats for yesterday were 100% according to the app.

So you hit 10 greens out of 18. You got up and down on the other 8 so had 8 single putts. Yet in total you had 35 putts, so 27 putts between the other 10 holes?

If the above numbers are correct then the putting is the issue! albeit i expect something in the numbers is wrong

 

[kid2]

[/QUOTE]...I dont think that's true of a huge proportion of "handicap golfers" (though I note that the OP is a better golfer than most in terms of his h'cap)....so then we have to factor in approach distance v. proximity to hole when GIR is hit.

the worm can grows ever faster!!![/QUOTE]


It's only a number Nick.
It's a tidy short game that keeps it there. Like you see above I miss my fair share of greens but my average scrambling percentage is 85%.

 

[kid2]

So you hit 10 greens out of 18. You got up and down on the other 8 so had 8 single putts. Yet in total you had 35 putts, so 27 putts between the other 10 holes?

If the above numbers are correct then the putting is the issue! albeit i expect something in the numbers is wrong

Well Pal.
Here's a section of the end of the statistics sheet. Just a screen shot but I'll try get the rest up...

 

[Region3]

So you hit 10 greens out of 18. You got up and down on the other 8 so had 8 single putts. Yet in total you had 35 putts, so 27 putts between the other 10 holes?

If the above numbers are correct then the putting is the issue! albeit i expect something in the numbers is wrong

This was my first thought as well. Only thing I can think of is counting putts from off the green.

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My stats are very similar to the OP but I average 31 ish putts. I know total putts isn't a good indicator but 35 is too many for a single figure hc in all but exceptional circumstances. I can't imagine your first putts are always from so far away that 35 putts is good.


This sentence puzzles me too

My Scrambling stats for yesterday were 100% according to the app.

Does "according to the app" mean you're not sure how it measures scrambling, or that you can't remember your round?

Scrambling in the program I use is making par after missing the green. If I drive in the trees, chip out, miss the green then get up and down for bogey that isn't a success as far as scrambling goes.

 

[AMcC]

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Scrambling in the program I use is making par after missing the green. If I drive in the trees, chip out, miss the green then get up and down for bogey that isn't a success as far as scrambling goes.

I am never sure about scrambling. Would it make a difference if you were stroking on that particular hole, or are they all taken as being played against par ??

 

[Region3]

I am never sure about scrambling. Would it make a difference if you were stroking on that particular hole, or are they all taken as being played against par ??

Scrambling is just gross on mine. I'd have thought if it were any different it would say so.

For example, mine shows number of gross birdies, pars etc and nett birdies, pars etc but they are labelled as gross and nett.

 

[kid2]

This was my first thought as well. Only thing I can think of is counting putts from off the green.

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My stats are very similar to the OP but I average 31 ish putts. I know total putts isn't a good indicator but 35 is too many for a single figure hc in all but exceptional circumstances. I can't imagine your first putts are always from so far away that 35 putts is good.


This sentence puzzles me too



Does "according to the app" mean you're not sure how it measures scrambling, or that you can't remember your round?

Scrambling in the program I use is making par after missing the green. If I drive in the trees, chip out, miss the green then get up and down for bogey that isn't a success as far as scrambling goes.

No my round is logged on the app.
That's why I originally posted. Because I can't figure it out either.
Has me baffled.


Here's the full lot. Sorry about the overlaps It's a screenshot.

 

[fundy]

No my round is logged on the app.
That's why I originally posted. Because I can't figure it out either.
Has me baffled.


Here's the full lot. Sorry about the overlaps It's a screenshot.

The standout thing from that for me is your scrambling was not 100%, you have lots of holes where you didnt have GIR and took 2 putts. It looks like scrambling was 2/10 so 20% and on one of the missed GIR you also 3 putted. For me based purely on that round I would be focussing on how badly are you missing greens and why are you rarely getting it up and down. Is it bad misses of the green, bad chipping, bad putting or a combination and then look to work on improving that

 

[kid2]

The standout thing from that for me is your scrambling was not 100%, you have lots of holes where you didnt have GIR and took 2 putts. It looks like scrambling was 2/10 so 20% and on one of the missed GIR you also 3 putted. For me based purely on that round I would be focussing on how badly are you missing greens and why are you rarely getting it up and down. Is it bad misses of the green, bad chipping, bad putting or a combination and then look to work on improving that

It's just that these pie chart things that it gives has my scrambling at 100%.
I need to sit down and go back over my round again.
I normally punch in the scores as I'm going round on my phone after each hole.

 

[mcbroon]

No my round is logged on the app.
That's why I originally posted. Because I can't figure it out either.
Has me baffled.


Here's the full lot. Sorry about the overlaps It's a screenshot.

Something is not right here. The very first hole of the first picture shows the par 3 13th hole. GIR is ticked, which I assume means you hit the green in 1, then had 2 putts and scored 4. Similar errors exist on other holes.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the stats that this app is spitting out

 

[kid2]

The standout thing from that for me is your scrambling was not 100%, you have lots of holes where you didnt have GIR and took 2 putts. It looks like scrambling was 2/10 so 20% and on one of the missed GIR you also 3 putted. For me based purely on that round I would be focussing on how badly are you missing greens and why are you rarely getting it up and down. Is it bad misses of the green, bad chipping, bad putting or a combination and then look to work on improving that

Back again pal...
Just wrote down there what my round entailed yesterday. It was me that messed up. A few of the holes I put 2 putts down when I should have ticked the scrambling button. I missed the green (well I hit it but it spun off).. still doesn't count does it.😁.. but i was on the short fringe around them. So I used the putter and I must have counted it as a putt rather than a scramble stat..
That brings my putts down to 31 and drops the scrambling stats as well to 82%.

 

[kid2]

Something is not right here. The very first hole of the first picture shows the par 3 13th hole. GIR is ticked, which I assume means you hit the green in 1, then had 2 putts and scored 4. Similar errors exist on other holes.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the stats that this app is spitting out

Starting to wonder myself pal....
Only problem now is am I worse than I think or a bit better... 😂😂😂😂😉