Handicap cut

[chellie]

Is there a maximum you can be cut after one round. Asking as HID's handicap will definately plummet this year and he's been told he could get one big cut after each comp if he carries on playing the way he is. Ta

 

[louise_a]

A handicap cut from a comp is based on the number of shots below CSS you score. but if you score well below in more than one comp you can get an extraordinary scoring reduction (ESR) this is based on a scale of the average shots below CSS in 2 competitions but this is not more than 3. If you continue to score well below CSS you could incur another ESR.

 

[duncan mackie]

A handicap cut from a comp is based on the number of shots below CSS you score. but if you score well below in more than one comp you can get an extraordinary scoring reduction (ESR) this is based on a scale of the average shots below CSS in 2 competitions but this is not more than 3. If you continue to score well below CSS you could incur another ESR.

exceptional

 

[rosecott]

Perhaps HID has just been warned that he has had the first flagged round which could lead to ESR. That seems reasonable, but anything other than that sounds like a warning that couldn't/shouldn't happen.

 

[chellie]

He has been told he was flagged at the annual review but they didn't cut him the one shot preferring to wait for the proper season to start. He's playing well below his current 24.8 as other forummers will testify so wants to be cut but wasn't sure how much he could drop in one go. Have been told of one man whose handicap was halved after one comp.

Depends how he does in todays comp as well. He could have a mare although I doubt it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He has been told he was flagged at the annual review but they didn't cut him the one shot preferring to wait for the proper season to start. He's playing well below his current 24.8 as other forummers will testify so wants to be cut but wasn't sure how much he could drop in one go. Have been told of one man whose handicap was halved after one comp.

Depends how he does in todays comp as well. He could have a mare although I doubt it.

His handicap wont be halved - suspect that was in the old days where one good round meant a big cut.

Did they say why he didnt get cut at AR even though he was flagged ? The AR would be looking at performances on the system ?

 

[louise_a]

He is currently Cat 4 so would be cut by 0.4 for each shot under CSS until he got down to 20.4 at which point it drops to 0.3.

Has he already been cut in a comp? it needs 2 rounds averaging at least 4 shots below CSS to generated an ESR. The number of rounds between the 2 cuts is also a factor.

 

[chellie]

His handicap wont be halved - suspect that was in the old days where one good round meant a big cut.

Did they say why he didnt get cut at AR even though he was flagged ? The AR would be looking at performances on the system ?

No, just that they were leaving it until the course was back on qualifiers. We're also still only on 17 holes as our remodelled hole hasn't yet reopened so could that have something to do with it. It's all new to us.

 

[chellie]

He is currently Cat 4 so would be cut by 0.4 for each shot under CSS until he got down to 20.4 at which point it drops to 0.3.

Has he already been cut in a comp? it needs 2 rounds averaging at least 4 shots below CSS to generated an ESR. The number of rounds between the 2 cuts is also a factor.

He got cut on the last comp of the year last September from 26.4 to 24.8

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No, just that they were leaving it until the course was back on qualifiers. We're also still only on 17 holes as our remodelled hole hasn't yet reopened so could that have something to do with it. It's all new to us.

If he was flagged up at their AR then would need to know why he was flagged up - if it was using the HDID Club2000 then that is done by looking at performance in qualifiers. Seems strange why they wouldnt apply the change then

 

[louise_a]

He got cut on the last comp of the year last September from 26.4 to 24.8

So that would have been 4 under CSS, anything equal or better than that would generate a ESR.

 

[chellie]

If he was flagged up at their AR then would need to know why he was flagged up - if it was using the HDID Club2000 then that is done by looking at performance in qualifiers. Seems strange why they wouldnt apply the change then

He's no idea either.

So that would have been 4 under CSS, anything equal or better than that would generate a ESR.

Cheers Louise.

 

[duncan mackie]

So that would have been 4 under CSS, anything equal or better than that would generate a ESR.

yes but - that score is now 'history' as far as the ESR system is concerned ie it's not relevant. Any relevance the handicap committee feel it had at the time should have been taken into account at the AR.

that's not to suggest that it shouldn't ever be considered again in any context of course; simply that it won't form the basis of an ESR trigger this year.

 

[rosecott]

yes but - that score is now 'history' as far as the ESR system is concerned ie it's not relevant. Any relevance the handicap committee feel it had at the time should have been taken into account at the AR.

that's not to suggest that it shouldn't ever be considered again in any context of course; simply that it won't form the basis of an ESR trigger this year.

As Duncan points out, the triggered round has now expired as ESR is based on rounds in a calendar year. To me that is a major flaw in the ESR system. It sounds to me that Chellie's HID scored a trigger round which may have been in the last qualifier of 2013. His first qualifier in 2014 would then be the next qualifier after the trigger round. If he scores 4 or more better than CSS in that round, he would have 2 consecutive rounds of that level. That, to me, would be well worthy of a reduction.

 

[Foxholer]

As Duncan points out, the triggered round has now expired as ESR is based on rounds in a calendar year. To me that is a major flaw in the ESR system. It sounds to me that Chellie's HID scored a trigger round which may have been in the last qualifier of 2013. His first qualifier in 2014 would then be the next qualifier after the trigger round. If he scores 4 or more better than CSS in that round, he would have 2 consecutive rounds of that level. That, to me, would be well worthy of a reduction.

Conversely, they could be 5 or 6 months apart - a guaranteed 3. And there was the Annual Review in between, where he was 'flagged'. So someone has actually made a judgement that a further cut wasn't appropriate - or at least a decision not to further cut. Perhaps a bit timid, but not an unreasonable approach imo.

 

[chellie]

Well HID is back and has found out that as the full course isn't open no cuts until it is. Should be in a couple of weeks though. Plus he said he could have played better as he only got 7 pars.

So, am I right, that if he plays well in the first qualifying comp he could be looking at a cut and an ESR.

 

[G1BB0]

Personally I wouldnt even worry about, just let the scores/software/committee take care of any of that. If he plays well he will soon come down :thup:

 

[rosecott]

Conversely, they could be 5 or 6 months apart - a guaranteed 3. And there was the Annual Review in between, where he was 'flagged'. So someone has actually made a judgement that a further cut wasn't appropriate - or at least a decision not to further cut. Perhaps a bit timid, but not an unreasonable approach imo.

Yes, but, a possible scenario.

Player shoots 4 under in last scheduled Q of the calendar year. The AR places no more weight on that score than any other "buffer or better" in the computer-generated analysis. Player shoots 4 under in first Q of following year - has possibly been playing well in non-Q period. Irrespective of the period of time between the 2 Qs, they would still be consecutive. ESR recommendations for rounds within the calendar year look only at the intervening number of Qs, not the time interval.

 

[Foxholer]

Well HID is back and has found out that as the full course isn't open no cuts until it is. Should be in a couple of weeks though. Plus he said he could have played better as he only got 7 pars.

So, am I right, that if he plays well in the first qualifying comp he could be looking at a cut and an ESR.

Cut yes. ESR No.

But may be triggered for one (if he shoots 4 or more better) if a further good round. Unless the H/C committee get brave and anticipate it - which they could, maybe should, but probably won't, do.

 

[chellie]

Cut yes. ESR No.

But may be triggered for one (if he shoots 4 or more better) if a further good round. Unless the H/C committee get brave and anticipate it - which they could, maybe should, but probably won't, do.

Thanks Foxholer