Handicap cut query

[HawkeyeMS]

I agree we need to know par and SI of the holes but for handicap purposes it doesn't matter whether he played medal or stableford and if I'm wrong in that then can someone please explain why.

What I was getting at was if it was stableford then the stableford adjustments have already been made so what he actually scored on the holes is irrelevent. He could have scored 22 and it wouldn't matter as it was already a blob. If it was a medal (which we now know it was) then in order to help him we would need to know the Par and SI of the holes he had the high scores. My questions were asked to cover all eventualities

 

[Foxholer]

I agree we need to know par and SI of the holes but for handicap purposes it doesn't matter whether he played medal or stableford and if I'm wrong in that then can someone please explain why.

Several different ways of working it out.

But (arguably) simplest to just think in terms of Stableford - as that is, efeectively, how Handicap does it (a bit foreign for Scots perhaps!).

Then the 2 numbers that are required are Par and CSS.

If Par = CSS, then 37 points or more will get a cut. No need to try to know/remember whether 7s or 10s were on Double Stroke holes or not.

 

[Val]

What I was getting at was if it was stableford then the stableford adjustments have already been made so what he actually scored on the holes is irrelevent. He could have scored 22 and it wouldn't matter as it was already a blob. If it was a medal (which we now know it was) then in order to help him we would need to know the Par and SI of the holes he had the high scores. My questions were asked to cover all eventualities

But he already said he had 2 7's and a 10, all you need is the SI of these holes and the CSS of his course on the day, you don't need to know if its medal or stableford as it makes no difference where handicap cuts are concerned.

 

[rosecott]

But he already said he had 2 7's and a 10, all you need is the SI of these holes and the CSS of his course on the day, you don't need to know if its medal or stableford as it makes no difference where handicap cuts are concerned.

And the par of the course.

 

[Beezerk]

From other posts I reckon his course is Chester-le-Street which, according to EGU Golf Central is par 71, SSS 71. If Beezerk has worked out his 37 points correctly, he is due a little cut.

Yes mate, the 10 was on the par 4 13th SI 3, one 7 was on a par 5 so doesn't matter, the other was a par 4 SI 9.
I actually finished quite well after the 10 which gave me a lot of confidence.

 

[Foxholer]

And the par of the course.

If you use the method Val is suggesting, you don't need to know the Par!

CSS, Net Score, Scores on Blowout Holes and their respective SIs are required. That allows Stableford Adjustment to be calculated.

If 'Stableford Method' used

CSS; Stableford Score; Par are all you require. Stableford Adjustment has effectively already been calculated.

However, if Beezerk has calc-ed correctly, 37 points would get 0.3. However the 3 shot S/S would give a 0.6 cut (Net 72 adjusted to 69). So something in the calculation 'doesn't compute'!

 

[Beezerk]

My head hurts now, think I'll just wait until the weekend to see what they've done

 

[HawkeyeMS]

But he already said he had 2 7's and a 10, all you need is the SI of these holes and the CSS of his course on the day, you don't need to know if its medal or stableford as it makes no difference where handicap cuts are concerned.

Which is why in post 7, that's what I asked for

 

[Beezerk]

So forgetting exactly how many I may get cut, I just wanted to know if I will potentially get a cut given the one or two disaster holes which bumped up my score?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So forgetting exactly how many I may get cut, I just wanted to know if I will potentially get a cut given the one or two disaster holes which bumped up my score?

The 10 becomes a 7 as you only get 1 shot so take 3 off your Gross\Nett score which gives you Nett 69, 2 under CSS so should get a 0.6 cut. The 2 7s stay as 7s.

EDIT: For completeness, you score for the competition will still show as Nett 72 but your handicap will be adjusted. I think there used to be a way of marking a score where a handicap has been adjusted down after stableford adjustments (a * maybe) but I may have made that up?

 

[rosecott]

So something in the calculation 'doesn't compute'!

I mentioned in an earlier post that the maths didn't seem to add up.

 

[rosecott]

I think there used to be a way of marking a score where a handicap has been adjusted down after stableford adjustments (a * maybe) but I may have made that up?

Using the Handicapmaster software there is a column on the results sheet showing stableford adjustments.

 

[pbrown7582]

My head hurts now, think I'll just wait until the weekend to see what they've done

Exactly why all info is important CSS Par SI all have a potential bearing on the overall outcome.

 

[Val]

Which is why in post 7, that's what I asked for

I know you did, I merely highlighted the other requests which are not needed

For clarity as Foxholer has said also, all you need to know is CSS of the comp and the SI of the holes, everything else ie - Stableford or Medal, Par of the course, is irrelevant as far as handicap calculations are concerned.

 

[Val]

If you use the method Val is suggesting, you don't need to know the Par!

CSS, Net Score, Scores on Blowout Holes and their respective SIs are required. That allows Stableford Adjustment to be calculated.

If 'Stableford Method' used

CSS; Stableford Score; Par are all you require. Stableford Adjustment has effectively already been calculated.

However, if Beezerk has calc-ed correctly, 37 points would get 0.3. However the 3 shot S/S would give a 0.6 cut (Net 72 adjusted to 69). So something in the calculation 'doesn't compute'!

It's not my suggested method, it's THE method

 

[rosecott]

It's not my suggested method, it's THE method

CONGU describes it as a short alternative method.

 

[Beezerk]

Well I'll put you of your misery after the massive thread hijack, I got a 0.6 cut :thup:

 

[Val]

Well I'll put you of your misery after the massive thread hijack, I got a 0.6 cut :thup:

Good on you pal

 

[Foxholer]

Well I'll put you of your misery after the massive thread hijack, I got a 0.6 cut :thup:

Well done!

I expect your arithmetic adding up your Stableford score was 1 shy (38pts) - which doesn't matter. As long as the Gross Score is correct, 'the system' is responsible for working everything else out.

 

[Val]

CONGU describes it as a short alternative method.

If what I describe is an alternative then what is THE method?