Golf Random Irritations

[Eesat 90210]

Did you quote this 20 minutes ago? I made an edit where I figured out the reason, and it is pretty much that. I think it's stupid though. We are now giving a shot to a team who are effectively the same or better than us in ability.

But in this scenario it's no different from what it has always been.

Under the previous system, 11.6 was 12 and 11.4 was 11, whilst both the others were 15.
It's just how it is on the day, you can't say that an 11.4 is a better golfer than an 11.6 or that a 14.9 is a better golfer than a 15.3. There has to be a cut-off somewhere and instead of strictly being between X.4 and X.5, it's now more random.

 

[Orikoru]

But in this scenario it's no different from what it has always been.

Under the previous system, 11.6 was 12 and 11.4 was 11, whilst both the others were 15.
It's just how it is on the day, you can't say that an 11.4 is a better golfer than an 11.6 or that a 14.9 is a better golfer than a 15.3. There has to be a cut-off somewhere and instead of strictly being between X.4 and X.5, it's now more random.

What you're saying is fair. It just feels unfair that their combined index is lower than ours yet we're giving them a shot - especially when it's foursomes so combined index has some relevance (i.e. we're playing as a 'combined golfer' in a way). It feels to me like it would be fairer to do 50% of the combined index and then convert that to playing handicap. Rather than converting to playing handicaps and then doing 50% of the combined. That way there would be no shots given in this match, which seems fair because of exactly what you said: "you can't say that an 11.4 is a better golfer than an 11.6 or that a 14.9 is a better golfer than a 15.3".

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Doing a bit of a garage tidy and what do I do with this lot…most going back last two decades…some will go back to 90s and 00s. My current club has free range balls for members so, club doesn’t need them for that. I’ll see if Juniors Organiser would dish out a couple of dozen to every junior…but would the juniors be interested in hitting old balls.

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Based on the chat of most junior organisers I've come across, the juniors wouldn't touch them. Kids know their brands, they know what the pro's use and what they want to use and a 20yr old Dunlop or Pinnacle isn't going to cut it.

Reality is, they've been kept too long. Put them up on Freecycle, FB marketplace for free, or equivalent. Otherwise they are landfill

 

[clubchamp98]

Doing a bit of a garage tidy and what do I do with this lot…most going back last two decades…some will go back to 90s and 00s. My current club has free range balls for members so, club doesn’t need them for that. I’ll see if Juniors Organiser would dish out a couple of dozen to every junior…but would the juniors be interested in hitting old balls.

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Our juniors only use prov 1s.

Just leave them by the first tee some players will use anything they will soon go.

 

[SteveW86]

The choice between playing in -3° and frozen greens on Saturday or torrential rain and gale force winds on Sunday. A real Sophie's choice.

Given the state of the tube, you may not be home in time to play anyway

 

[Billysboots]

Our juniors only use prov 1s.

Just leave them by the first tee some players will use anything they will soon go.

We find range balls all over our course, so they’d certainly find a home if left near our first tee.

 

[Imurg]

Sometimes people leave a bag or a box of surplus balls on one of the tables in the changing room....
They don't stay there long.....
Not sure they'd appreciate the 3 or 400 I've got in the garage though.....might start drip feeding them in...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Sometimes people leave a bag or a box of surplus balls on one of the tables in the changing room....
They don't stay there long.....
Not sure they'd appreciate the 3 or 400 I've got in the garage though.....might start drip feeding them in...

Can’t be bothered counting how many I have. I might just sort out such as AD333s and more recent non-premium Titleist ones. Must be many dozens of them and there may be folks out there who’d grab a couple of doz gladly.

 

[srixon 1]

Doing a bit of a garage tidy and what do I do with this lot…most going back last two decades…some will go back to 90s and 00s. My current club has free range balls for members so, club doesn’t need them for that. I’ll see if Juniors Organiser would dish out a couple of dozen to every junior…but would the juniors be interested in hitting old balls.

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The old boys will use them, give em to them. Juniors want tour balls these days.

 

[cliveb]

What you're saying is fair. It just feels unfair that their combined index is lower than ours yet we're giving them a shot - especially when it's foursomes so combined index has some relevance (i.e. we're playing as a 'combined golfer' in a way). It feels to me like it would be fairer to do 50% of the combined index and then convert that to playing handicap. Rather than converting to playing handicaps and then doing 50% of the combined. That way there would be no shots given in this match, which seems fair because of exactly what you said: "you can't say that an 11.4 is a better golfer than an 11.6 or that a 14.9 is a better golfer than a 15.3".

I assume you're playing off the whites at Grims Dyke...

Your team's CH's are 10.404 and 14.442. Their CH's are 10.611 and 14.027.

If you round each player's CH before adding them together, then take 50% of the difference, then round that again, your opponents get an extra shot.
But if you add the unrounded CH's, your combined CH is actually slightly higher, and after a single final rounding there would be no shots either way.

I thought the April changes were supposed to only do one rounding at the end of all the calculations - precisely to make things fairer.
But it would appear with foursomes they round earlier than that - which kind of goes against the principle of rounding once at the end to make things fair.

 

[rulie]

All this machination/annoyance over one shot? Just get out and play well.

 

[AussieKB]

You only have to win by one shot, unless your a low handicapper then coming 9th is good.

 

[sunshine]

What you're saying is fair. It just feels unfair that their combined index is lower than ours yet we're giving them a shot - especially when it's foursomes so combined index has some relevance (i.e. we're playing as a 'combined golfer' in a way). It feels to me like it would be fairer to do 50% of the combined index and then convert that to playing handicap. Rather than converting to playing handicaps and then doing 50% of the combined. That way there would be no shots given in this match, which seems fair because of exactly what you said: "you can't say that an 11.4 is a better golfer than an 11.6 or that a 14.9 is a better golfer than a 15.3".

But your hand warmers are worth at least one shot

 

[Neilds]

But your hand warmers are worth at least one shot

Especially if you also use them to keep the ball warm


PS - I know!

 

[3offTheTee]

Hd to cancel an Open Comp in Scotland due to unforeseen circumstances.

The Club said there would be a charge of over 13% for the refund. They did not have my credit card details which I have given them. Told me if they send money to my Bank account there are excessive charges involved. That is wrong as a personal customer can strip a one off payment for nothing, 2 minutes.

The same Club is charging just short of £100 for a weekend round in summer. Total Rip Off.

 

[sunshine]

Hd to cancel an Open Comp in Scotland due to unforeseen circumstances.

The Club said there would be a charge of over 13% for the refund. They did not have my credit card details which I have given them. Told me if they send money to my Bank account there are excessive charges involved. That is wrong as a personal customer can strip a one off payment for nothing, 2 minutes.

The same Club is charging just short of £100 for a weekend round in summer. Total Rip Off.

Business bank account will charge fees for making payments. Won’t be 13% of the refund though. I think it’s reasonable for them to add a small charge for the admin involved in making a bank transfer. If lots of people book and then cancel it costs the club to employ someone to manage the process.

 

[Neilds]

Getting drawn into a certain Rules thread and reading the same argument repeatedly when I keep telling myself to 'Let It Go!'

 

[Captainron]

Woodhall is open for play today. Utterly pointless.