Football Cheats

[chrisd]

I've been watching football since the early 60's and I think it's evolved, more than totally broken. Gone are the quagmire pitches and awful tackles from behind etc etc and the game, especially at the top level, is now full of highly tuned world class athletes. Grounds are of a vastly higher standard and we no longer get soaked right through the winter

Ok, the players claim for every free kick, corner, throw in and there are more divers around but, overall it's a fast, exciting game on a billiard table pitch. I guess that, although I don't like the idea much, the introduction of video refereeing on the spot may stop the cheating, but I really do think the game is much more of a spectacle

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Through the 70's and 80's there was cheating in the form of deliberate dirty tackles - two footed to take out players , handballs and if you read through a few auto bios players also dived back then as well.

It's just that its highlighted more now

Football became a business the minute the Premier League was formed

And Chris you only have to look at the difference in opinions with refs to see if video ref would work or not -

Three incidents that we have seen

They had two refs give their opinion

Gallagher and Webb -

Benteke - both said penalty
Payet - Webb said penalty , Gallagher not
Bolasie - both said no pen and card for simulation but Poll ( on 5 live ) said penalty

Lots of different interpretation from the same incidents. Think it could open a minefield

 

[chrisd]

Through the 70's and 80's there was cheating in the form of deliberate dirty tackles - two footed to take out players , handballs and if you read through a few auto bios players also dived back then as well.

It's just that its highlighted more now

Football became a business the minute the Premier League was formed

And Chris you only have to look at the difference in opinions with refs to see if video ref would work or not -

Three incidents that we have seen

They had two refs give their opinion

Gallagher and Webb -

Benteke - both said penalty
Payet - Webb said penalty , Gallagher not
Bolasie - both said no pen and card for simulation but Poll ( on 5 live ) said penalty

Lots of different interpretation from the same incidents. Think it could open a minefield

The video refs in the 6 Nations have been unable to award tries because of inconclusive evidence but, I think, so long as the incidents are looked at most supporters will (maybe reluctantly) accept the decision, and i see no reason why football would be different.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The video refs in the 6 Nations have been unable to award tries because of inconclusive evidence but, I think, so long as the incidents are looked at most supporters will (maybe reluctantly) accept the decision, and i see no reason why football would be different.

It's a good point and look at rugby as a comparison, no-one minds a 60-120 second delay to ensure the right call or at least conclude there's too much doubt. Football needs video technology

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The video refs in the 6 Nations have been unable to award tries because of inconclusive evidence but, I think, so long as the incidents are looked at most supporters will (maybe reluctantly) accept the decision, and i see no reason why football would be different.

Have you seen how many times they have got involved and how long it has taken- it's awful at times.

How many on here accepted the views of Webb from recent incidents after he viewed the television replays ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Excellent post. Its broken and forever will remain such. If you want to see how it should be you need to catch those Big Match repeats from the 70's and early 80's when no quarter asked or given in a challenge and players got up and got on with it.

While you're watching these matches from the past have a look at Frannie Lee!

 

[chrisd]

Have you seen how many times they have got involved and how long it has taken- it's awful at times.

How many on here accepted the views of Webb from recent incidents after he viewed the television replays ?

I've always been against live video refereeing and still am. I, like you, and everyone else, watch the matches and come to my own conclusions but I do accept that in a good percentage of cases there may well be a conclusive decision

 

[HomerJSimpson]

While you're watching these matches from the past have a look at Frannie Lee!

Quality and I'll raise you a Harris, Bremner, Tommy Smith

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I've always been against live video refereeing and still am. I, like you, and everyone else, watch the matches and come to my own conclusions but I do accept that in a good percentage of cases there may well be a conclusive decision

I think for red cards or possibly red cards when the game has stopped then it could be useful and even more so with goals where something could happen

Penalties etc I'm not sure because it's all about interpretation from each person

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Quality and I'll raise you a Harris, Bremner, Tommy Smith

They were hard men, Frannie Lee perfected the art of diving, let's not pretend cheating only started on the 90's-00's

 

[HomerJSimpson]

They were hard men, Frannie Lee perfected the art of diving, let's not pretend cheating only started on the 90's-00's

Totally agree and it was a different game then. Cheating then and cheating now just without the bookings and sendings off back then

 

[Snelly]

Football on TV, notably the Premiership or whatever it is called) could be improved immediately if the referees were mic'ed up so that the average Sky Sports sheep (and his wife/mum etc) could hear the disgusting abuse that the players scream whenever they feel hard done by.

This would transform football for the better and would do more than any previous Respect campaign could ever achieve.

Manners maketh the man. The chavballers would have to grasp this overnight if the punters could hear everything they say.

It won't happen of course. The marketeers would never allow it and this is a great shame as it would be a force for good.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Football on TV, notably the Premiership or whatever it is called) could be improved immediately if the referees were mic'ed up so that the average Sky Sports sheep (and his wife/mum etc) could hear the disgusting abuse that the players scream whenever they feel hard done by.

This would transform football for the better and would do more than any previous Respect campaign could ever achieve.

Manners maketh the man. The chavballers would have to grasp this overnight if the punters could hear everything they say.

It won't happen of course. The marketeers would never allow it and this is a great shame as it would be a force for good.

They did that before years back for a BBC documentary if I am not wrong - probably a third/fourth division game, but definitely done. Made no difference then

 

[need_my_wedge]

So if I'm reading the thread right, the general consensus is that cheating in football has always gone on, it would be wrong to kick people out of clubs or the game as a whole for cheating, it's been going on too long to change etc. But, we'd still look at a cheat in the golf club as someone that should leave and never be seen again. I'm not necessarily asking for ways to fix it, I'm just curious why we are so harsh in one aspect of cheating and more meh at the other. Surely a cheats a cheat, just because it's been going on for so long and everyone does it, doesn't make it right, or mean that we should accept it.

 

[Snelly]

So if I'm reading the thread right, the general consensus is that cheating in football has always gone on, it would be wrong to kick people out of clubs or the game as a whole for cheating, it's been going on too long to change etc. But, we'd still look at a cheat in the golf club as someone that should leave and never be seen again. I'm not necessarily asking for ways to fix it, I'm just curious why we are so harsh in one aspect of cheating and more meh at the other. Surely a cheats a cheat, just because it's been going on for so long and everyone does it, doesn't make it right, or mean that we should accept it.

I think in essence, it is because you cannot polish a turd.

 

[Slab]

So if I'm reading the thread right, the general consensus is that cheating in football has always gone on, it would be wrong to kick people out of clubs or the game as a whole for cheating, it's been going on too long to change etc. But, we'd still look at a cheat in the golf club as someone that should leave and never be seen again. I'm not necessarily asking for ways to fix it, I'm just curious why we are so harsh in one aspect of cheating and more meh at the other. Surely a cheats a cheat, just because it's been going on for so long and everyone does it, doesn't make it right, or mean that we should accept it.

Yup a cheats a cheat.... and a lot of footballers play golf! (both am & pro) I'd be watching those lads a bit closely

 

[Crazyface]

Simple solution...STOP WATCHING...live or on TV. no audience, no money....game over. I was talking to my cousin last night (big ManU fan season ticket the lot) he stopped watching 6 years ago. Roughly when I gave up on it all.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So if I'm reading the thread right, the general consensus is that cheating in football has always gone on, it would be wrong to kick people out of clubs or the game as a whole for cheating, it's been going on too long to change etc. But, we'd still look at a cheat in the golf club as someone that should leave and never be seen again. I'm not necessarily asking for ways to fix it, I'm just curious why we are so harsh in one aspect of cheating and more meh at the other. Surely a cheats a cheat, just because it's been going on for so long and everyone does it, doesn't make it right, or mean that we should accept it.

Cheating in various different sports is always hard to confirm

In football you would have to prove someone has cheated - in the case of diving UEFA have tried to punish someone for diving and couldn't prove he meant to dive

A deliberate foul can be classed as cheating - kick them out as well ?

The governing bodies already retrospectively punish players for foul play

You only have to read the backlash from people when someone wins a soft penalty - it's treated harshly by fans

I don't think you can compare people in golf a self governing sport to people in football where they have officials at every game - it's just not a fair comparison

 

[Tongo]

Golf is fortunate in that there is a clear and definable line. Most other sports don't have that advantage.

Look at the furore caused at the u-19 cricket world cup recently. West indies bowler comes into bowl, notices batsman has strayed out of his crease before he has bowled the ball so he breaks the stumps, known as mankading.

The batsman has cheated, leaving his crease before the ball has been bowled. But it was the WI bowler who got the heat and criticism because mankading is seen as not in the spirit of cricket unless you have warned the batsman first.

So the batsman can cheat but the bowler has to warn him / her before punishing him / her for cheating.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So if I'm reading the thread right, the general consensus is that cheating in football has always gone on, it would be wrong to kick people out of clubs or the game as a whole for cheating, it's been going on too long to change etc. But, we'd still look at a cheat in the golf club as someone that should leave and never be seen again. I'm not necessarily asking for ways to fix it, I'm just curious why we are so harsh in one aspect of cheating and more meh at the other. Surely a cheats a cheat, just because it's been going on for so long and everyone does it, doesn't make it right, or mean that we should accept it.

Putting it a simply as you have, yes you are correct, it's just not that simple, you can't compare Multi Billion Dollar Top level Sports to a round of Golf at your local Muni,
Do you genuinely believe there has never been any Golfers who never tried to gain and advantage/Cheat? there has been plenty of rumours and if you read the cheat thread in the lounge, looks like there are plenty of amatuers trying to cheat.

Crazyface and Snelly are correct, money is in charge and until people don't hand over the money, it will (sadly) continue.