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I'm sure most of us have been there. I'm a driver, pedestrian and cyclist - in no particular order, and have had my share of near misses.
Even the ones that weren't my fault, on reflection I could have done more to predict and avoid. Pedestrians are rarely investigated and held responsible for accidents.
Nobody likes a Saturday night pundit, but post-match analysis is a useful learning tool.
This is true but it’s a fact of life here.
To many schools are on bad roads.
We need a more joined up approach where schools are not on traffic congested roads as nobody seems to walk to school anymore.
To many idiots walking and driving is a bad mix.
 

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The speed limit is not a target to hit it the maximum speed allowed. Most of our schools locally have a 20mph limit but at the start and end of the school day even slower is better. They are kids they don't pay attention are easily distracted and we know that. Better safe than sorry

i always thought that the stated number is the minimum speed that i should maintain.. What am i doing wrong?


I'm sure that will be great solace when she's lying in an ambulance with multiple injuries and the car has a small dent in its front.
I dont wish her any harm. .. An OAP with a walking stick .. she would collapse if a cyclist brushed her. And she walks there every day during school run. If she could delay by 30 mins, she wuld miss the traffic
 

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The speed limit is not a target to hit it the maximum speed allowed. Most of our schools locally have a 20mph limit but at the start and end of the school day even slower is better. They are kids they don't pay attention are easily distracted and we know that. Better safe than sorry

Given that most of the traffic at school times is delivering or collecting children, why should a 20mph limit be necessary; if the parents simply drove appropriately to the circumstances then there'd be no need for these schemes.
 

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Sorry to tell you this OP - but you are a obviously a bad driver.

Please learn how to drive better so that you don't put other lives at risk any more.
 

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Sorry to tell you this OP - but you are a obviously a bad driver.

Please learn how to drive better so that you don't put other lives at risk any more.

Thank you.. when do I get the certificate? Will sit nicely alongside my 25 year NCD and 1 speeding ticket that I have framed ?
 

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This is true but it’s a fact of life here.
To many schools are on bad roads.
We need a more joined up approach where schools are not on traffic congested roads as nobody seems to walk to school anymore.
To many idiots walking and driving is a bad mix.
I suspect most schools are built on nice quiet roads, they only become busy when the school opens and people drive their little darlings to school.
The problem is there are a lot fewer secondary schools now so people live further away. Maybe more, smaller schools is the answer
 

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I suspect most schools are built on nice quiet roads, they only become busy when the school opens and people drive their little darlings to school.
The problem is there are a lot fewer secondary schools now so people live further away. Maybe more, smaller schools is the answer

Very interesting angle… we recently had a new large Secondary school open on the busy A road out of town. It is on the fringe of a green belt. Except for the only estate across the road, there is no possibility of walking there. It also meant new lights in both direction and tailbacks in the morning. I am sure in about 10 year time, the area around it will be allowed to be built on and traffic will get worse. I guess ride in population means more services.
 

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humans aren’t robots. Both pedestrians and drivers will make mistakes. All we can do is try and mitigate the unexpected but at the end of the day there will be accidents.

Thankfully, the statistics suggest accidents aren’t common.
 

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We dread 'tourist season' on our single track road network.
If you cannot reverse a car do not drive on single track roads.

Last year I had a stalemate with a woman who was 50 yards past a lay bye on a straight bit of road.
I got our of my car and pointed this out to her at the same time saying I would have to reverse 400 yards sharply downhill on a winding road.
'But I cannot reverse this car' was the response.
'Well start learning' I responded and within 20 yards she was basically sideways across the road:mad:
And yes it was a massive Chelsea tractor.:eek:
And Yes I ended up doing the reversing.
And by then she had a little convoy follow her down the hill.

This reminded me of Ross Noble's anecdote about encountering somebody who refused reverse down a country lane... until the guy driving the tank he had just bought came trundling around the corner.
 

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I suspect most schools are built on nice quiet roads, they only become busy when the school opens and people drive their little darlings to school.
The problem is there are a lot fewer secondary schools now so people live further away. Maybe more, smaller schools is the answer
I went to school at the top of our road.
Things changed when parents had a choice of schools.
Now kids are ferried all over the place.
So back to the good old days.
I very much dought it
 

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There are two discussions going now. In terms of schools, looking at the town I live in, the schools are old and established, near the centre. In the last 10 years, 3 in particular, big new housing estates have been built on the edge of town, who needs green fields :mad:, and yet no new schools to suit. Large numbers of kids are not near their local schools and whilst many walk it only needs a small percentage to get dropped off to cause problems. It's the fault of planners, that's an oxymoron in itself, that there is so much inappropriate traffic as much as over protective parents.

In terms of the OP, I drive on country lanes most days. I'm aware that cyclists could be around a corner and drive accordingly but at least they have some speed going. Runners and walkers on country lanes are a different kettle of fish. They have every right to be there but just because you can doesn't mean that it is wise and dangerous moments can't occur. Thanks heavens for hi-vis gear and a slap around the head for anyone on the road who doesn't wear any.
 

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There are two discussions going now. In terms of schools, looking at the town I live in, the schools are old and established, near the centre. In the last 10 years, 3 in particular, big new housing estates have been built on the edge of town, who needs green fields :mad:, and yet no new schools to suit. Large numbers of kids are not near their local schools and whilst many walk it only needs a small percentage to get dropped off to cause problems. It's the fault of planners, that's an oxymoron in itself, that there is so much inappropriate traffic as much as over protective parents.

In terms of the OP, I drive on country lanes most days. I'm aware that cyclists could be around a corner and drive accordingly but at least they have some speed going. Runners and walkers on country lanes are a different kettle of fish. They have every right to be there but just because you can doesn't mean that it is wise and dangerous moments can't occur. Thanks heavens for hi-vis gear and a slap around the head for anyone on the road who doesn't wear any.
As an ex cycle rider....most drivers don't have a clue how close/near they come to taking somebody out. I finally got to the point after so many close calls I called it quits. My wife appreciates the decision....shocked actually, I made a good decision which is fairly rare:eek:....
 

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As an ex cycle rider....most drivers don't have a clue how close/near they come to taking somebody out. I finally got to the point after so many close calls I called it quits. My wife appreciates the decision....shocked actually, I made a good decision which is fairly rare:eek:....
Yes muppets.
I still cycle but only on trans Pennines cycleway now.
But there’s good and bad in all modes of transport , but we only remember the bad ones.
 

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As an ex cycle rider....most drivers don't have a clue how close/near they come to taking somebody out. I finally got to the point after so many close calls I called it quits. My wife appreciates the decision....shocked actually, I made a good decision which is fairly rare:eek:....
I think the govt info adverts in the past few years have been quite good about that. I know most drivers I see now take a massive swing out to pass a cyclist. Not all will and sadly you only need one bad one to kill or maim. I wouldn't cycle on anything other than a cycle way. Too dangerous. If I lived in Holland or Germany then it would be a different kettle of fish.
 

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I think the govt info adverts in the past few years have been quite good about that. I know most drivers I see now take a massive swing out to pass a cyclist. Not all will and sadly you only need one bad one to kill or maim. I wouldn't cycle on anything other than a cycle way. Too dangerous. If I lived in Holland or Germany then it would be a different kettle of fish.
I would really like to cycle again....I can't run anymore. But....mixing with crazy people in cars is only getting worse. It is what it is.....I'll stick to walking. My wife still seems to like me for some strange reason.....figure I should stick around. I sure miss being able to run......

On the positive side of things...my swing is back. Kicking A** again!! The new wedges are doing the job....Putter has returned from wherever it went.....hitting drives straight..... Now, if there was only free beer....
 

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As an ex cycle rider....most drivers don't have a clue how close/near they come to taking somebody out. I finally got to the point after so many close calls I called it quits. My wife appreciates the decision....shocked actually, I made a good decision which is fairly rare:eek:....

Not having a pop, just using your post to piggy back onto. Have you thought to have a look at the stats for 30 years ago and now? I dońt know either way but wouldńt be surprised if the numbers of accidents has actually dropped.
 

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Not having a pop, just using your post to piggy back onto. Have you thought to have a look at the stats for 30 years ago and now? I dońt know either way but wouldńt be surprised if the numbers of accidents has actually dropped.

The number of fatalities certainly have, but it is impossible to quantify exactly why; some will be vehicle design, some will be medical advances, some will be infrastructure improvement and there will probably be other factors but apportioning the lives saved to each factor is nigh on impossible.
 

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Not having a pop, just using your post to piggy back onto. Have you thought to have a look at the stats for 30 years ago and now? I dońt know either way but wouldńt be surprised if the numbers of accidents has actually dropped.
I also turned into a recumbent rider (Bacchetta Giro 26)....and the studies show that cars give recumbents more room just because they are different. In real life......the hard metal of cars inches/feet from me would indicate near death.....repeatedly. I could have kept riding.....and hoping the stats would save me.....I chose to just save me, and heck with the stats.
 

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Thank you.. when do I get the certificate? Will sit nicely alongside my 25 year NCD and 1 speeding ticket that I have framed ?

'This morning, I was going around one of the blind bend, only to see an OAP in high-vis in the middle of the road. I have seen her a few times, needs a walking stick and walks down that stretch every morning (not sure for what). Had to hit the brakes and swerve to miss her.'

I haven't framed my one speeding ticket. c. 1995 if I remember correctly.
 
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