Flags Out????

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

However as someone has stated covid will be around forever pretty much

Is somebody not within their right to say sorry but I really don't feel comfortable

Same with a hand shake at end .. would you been offended if you put our your hand and they reply with a fist bump or elbow ..

This is a good point. I would simply say though that anybody with such concerns can do like I have been doing for the last year when out for a walk...i take a small pack of tissues with me so that any time I had to open a gate I used a tissue so I would not have to touch the metal with my hand, then put the used tissue in a bag to be disposed of later. I would often also carried a small bottle of hand gel to give my hands a quick clean if I ever felt it necessary.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So you would have someone else stand there like a lemon just to improve your chance of holing it from 0.1 to 0.2% (which in all likelihood is only in your imagination anyway)? Seems a bit selfish to me.

No - just asking for the flag to be attended for a putt as we have been able to do for the last 150+ years. I honestly cannot recall attending the flag being considered a significant cause of slow play or a cause for someone to feel like a lemon. Certainly in my mere 50yrs of playing the game I have never once felt like a lemon when attending a flag.

 

[clubchamp98]

Sorry but this is a complete load of rubbish . You are outdoors. If somebody is 2m away it's different ...

Looking for balls you wouldn't be within 2 metres

But touching the same flag is something that could lead it transmission

Considering some on here won't even get a take away incase somebody has the illness and brings it in via the packaging I think touching the flag could be a valid reason

If you can't see the difference between being outdoors in someone's company 2 metres apart and touching a flag someone else has touched as two completely different things then you really need to study transmission

Yes I agree.
If I asked and he said he didn’t want to because of fear of COVID that’s fair enough.
I would not want to make anyone uncomfortable on the course.
But let’s be honest, it’s going to be next year imo before we can touch a flag anyway.

 

[Orikoru]

No - just asking for the flag to be attended for a putt as we have been able to do for the last 150+ years. I honestly cannot recall attending the flag being considered a significant cause of slow play or a cause for someone to feel like a lemon. Certainly in my mere 50yrs of playing the game I have never once felt like a lemon when attending a flag.

Well that's because it was necessary to save that player getting a penalty for hitting the flag. Different kettle of fish now.

 

[KenL]

Some here really need to stop arguing the absurd. If the flag is on the top level of a stepped green and I cannot see the hole, and yet I want the flag to be out when the ball gets to the hole, then there is every reason for me having the flag attended. It’s not going to happen very often, but it’s really not difficult to understand and accept that sometimes a player may very legitimately wish it so.

Want the pin out in case you hole a putt that would take you about 100 attempts.?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not saying someone would use as excuse but if somebody said it to you. Most people would accept it

Then it’s irrelevant to the discussion, any genuine reason for a person to avoid doing something they don’t wish too should be accepted.

But you have posted how attending the flag should be consigned to history or those wanting it attended are wasting time etc.

These other points are simply deflection.

 

[SaintHacker]

So you would have someone else stand there like a lemon just to improve your chance of holing it from 0.1 to 0.2% (which in all likelihood is only in your imagination anyway)? Seems a bit selfish to me.

Selfish? Really? Someone asks if you'll tend the flag, you hold it until theyve putted then pull it out and place it on the ground, exactly as you would if you were removing it anyway. Really not hard a thing to do, and absolutely doesn't take any more time.

 

[Steve Wilkes]

Want the pin out in case you hole a putt that would take you about 100 attempts.?

Which in most probability would have a better chance of holing it with the pin in

 

[SaintHacker]

Want the pin out in case you hole a putt that would take you about 100 attempts.?

Why would it take him 100 attempts? He might a demon putter, or are you just being obtuse again?

 

[dronfield]

Allowing the flag to be left in when putting was most def brought in by the R&A/USGA as part of their efforts to speed up the pace of play - this move, as mentioned should have biggest impact in amateur game, as pros have caddies.
I remember Paul McGinley discussing this very subject during commentary on Sky - his view was that is was wrong for pros to leave flag in for putts of say 10 ft inwards because they were simply using it as a backstop, which was not in the spirit of the rule change, which was to speed up play (predominantly in the amateur game).

Rich

 

[PJ87]

Then it’s irrelevant to the discussion, any genuine reason for a person to avoid doing something they don’t wish too should be accepted.

But you have posted how attending the flag should be consigned to history or those wanting it attended are wasting time etc.

These other points are simply deflection.

In your opinion

If somebody asked me to attend the flag id do same as @Orikoru do it but think it's a bit of a waste of time and outdated.

But to those defending it to the hill how it's their choice. It's also somebodies choice to feel unsafe or not due to covid risks even when the risk is greatly reduced..

 

[Deleted member 16999]

In your opinion

If somebody asked me to attend the flag id do same as @Orikoru do it but think it's a bit of a waste of time and outdated.

But to those defending it to the hill how it's their choice. It's also somebodies choice to feel unsafe or not due to covid risks even when the risk is greatly reduced..

It’s all opinions, but lets be honest, the Governing bodies have deemed the flag being attended to as OK and within the rules and absolutely 100% nothing to do with covid when that decision was made, yet you are accussing us of defending it to the hill, when in effect we are the open minded ones saying it’s a choice, something you wish to remove.

If in the future if they banned attending the flag, we’d accept it, were as your type will look for the next thing you don’t like and invent scenarios to prove why that should be changed.

 

[PJ87]

It’s all opinions, but lets be honest, the Governing bodies have deemed the flag being attended to as OK and within the rules and absolutely 100% nothing to do with covid when that decision was made, yet you are accussing us of defending it to the hill, when in effect we are the open minded ones saying it’s a choice, something you wish to remove.

If in the future if they banned attending the flag, we’d accept it, were as your type will look for the next thing you don’t like and invent scenarios to prove why that should be changed.

No if you re read what I said fully. I believe when the rule was changed for flag to be left in I think they added an unneeded option in attending. As pointed out by a few people now the ball can drop with the flag in legally it really isn't needed

If they made it illegal then 20 years down the line people would still do it. People don't keep up fully with the rules. Still have those that think single players have no standing etc.

 

[KenL]

Why would it take him 100 attempts? He might a demon putter, or are you just being obtuse again?

Nope.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I’m still amazed that some people have an issue with others wanting to do something that is within the rules of golf - is there anything you won’t allow them to do ?

 

[Steve Wilkes]

I’m still amazed that some people have an issue with others wanting to do something that is within the rules of golf - is there anything you won’t allow them to do ?

I sometimes get drawn with a guy who wants me to mark my ball when it's on the green on his line of play. I wouldn't mind but he is pitching in from around 100 yards, not a big problem for me as I have to walk up to the green anyway

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

You would really waste someones time and ask them to do it for no reason at all?
I find that pretty poor, wanting something just because you can.

It's just as easy to turn this round and accuse you of being the time waster by refusing to tend the flag.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I sometimes get drawn with a guy who wants me to mark my ball when it's on the green on his line of play. I wouldn't mind but he is pitching in from around 100 yards, not a big problem for me as I have to walk up to the green anyway

He is within his rights but yes that is taking things to the extreme.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

No if you re read what I said fully. I believe when the rule was changed for flag to be left in I think they added an unneeded option in attending. As pointed out by a few people now the ball can drop with the flag in legally it really isn't needed

If they made it illegal then 20 years down the line people would still do it. People don't keep up fully with the rules. Still have those that think single players have no standing etc.

They didn’t add anything and let’s be honest, who knows what’s best for the game? The Governing Bodies or some bloke who works for LT?

As already been explained but not fitting your agenda, on some greens depending on pin position the hole cannot be seen, it’s also possible due to bad work by a greenkeeper or due to weather the flagstick can lean towards the part of the hole the ball will enter and stop the ball from dropping, having it attended on these rare occassions a player can request it is attended.

For whatever reason you and a few others seem to be totally selfcentred and believe that the choice should be removed, personally I think yous are intelligent enough to recognise this but have been so vocal in your opposition that you now have to dig in and defend your position by introducing covid and other extremes in to the debate.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I sometimes get drawn with a guy who wants me to mark my ball when it's on the green on his line of play. I wouldn't mind but he is pitching in from around 100 yards, not a big problem for me as I have to walk up to the green anyway

There will always be people who take it to the extreme

In regards the people who won’t touch the flag because of Covid , how will they be expected to rake a bunker when they go in one ?