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Do you have me confused with someone else?
I have not said I wouldn't do it if asked.
People pushed for evidence that having the flag tended slowed down play. The decision makers in the game believe that it does.
I would not ask for a pin to be tended now as I believe there is zero need for it.
I think you need to go back and read your posts from wednesday were you state tending the flag should be consigned to history and you agreeing with posts saying it should be banned etc.

Again, nobody on here supporting pins being attended has suggested they want the flag attended on every putt, just that they would expect a pp to attend it for them if they saw the need and without being made to feel guilty or being labelled a dinosaur.
 
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How often would you hole a putt that you need attended?
These tour stats (2010) are interesting:
https://thesandtrap.com/forums/topic/51757-pga-tour-putts-gainedmake-percentage-stats/
Tour pros only hole 7% of 30 footers and 3% of 50 footers.
Are people who continue to ask for the flag to be tended kidding myself on about it being necessary?
It might be I never ask for it to be attended or I might ask 20 times a year, the fact is, it’s my choice and you can either do it or refuse, if you refuse I’d suggest it would say a lot more about you than it would me.
 

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I want it left in so I can see were the hole is, I want it out incase it deflects off the Flagstick, the only way to do both is to have it attended.
No, you said you were holding it because of the wind? The bit in bold is just your personal feeling or whim, so it is not necessary to attend the flag - as I said earlier. If you're still going to disagree with me then you need to look up the definition of the word necessary. It was necessary before because hitting the flag meant a penalty - that's not the case now.
 
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No, you said you were holding it because of the wind? The bit in bold is just your personal feeling or whim, so it is not necessary to attend the flag - as I said earlier. If you're still going to disagree with me then you need to look up the definition of the word necessary. It was necessary before because hitting the flag meant a penalty - that's not the case now.
If the risk of the wind is there then I would also be hitting it harder, I want the flagstick removed once I’ve played the putt, I want the risk of it hitting the pin too hard fully removed, my choice.
 

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If the risk of the wind is there then I would also be hitting it harder, I want the flagstick removed once I’ve played the putt, I want the risk of it hitting the pin too hard fully removed, my choice.
Yeah I agree it's your choice! That's not the same as it being necessary that's all!
 
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It’s nice and simple

Tending the flag is allowed within the rules

As long as someone is acting within the rules then I would expect his fellow golfers to be respectful of those wishes

We are all golfers who are supposed to respect each other when playing. Remember we all approach the game in different ways and it’s all about finding a way that we can all enjoy playing the game

If someone wants the flag tended then it’s within the rules and we would respect those persons wishes just as we would help people search for balls , repair their pitchmarks , rake bunkers , be quiet when people are playing their shot , stand in the the appropriate place

If tending was unnecessary then why do the Pros continue to do it when the flag can be left in
 

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It’s nice and simple

Tending the flag is allowed within the rules

As long as someone is acting within the rules then I would expect his fellow golfers to be respectful of those wishes

We are all golfers who are supposed to respect each other when playing. Remember we all approach the game in different ways and it’s all about finding a way that we can all enjoy playing the game

If someone wants the flag tended then it’s within the rules and we would respect those persons wishes just as we would help people search for balls , repair their pitchmarks , rake bunkers , be quiet when people are playing their shot , stand in the the appropriate place

If tending was unnecessary then why do the Pros continue to do it when the flag can be left in

It's a mix these days, some have the flag in some out and some tended. They also have a caddie to do it for them.
There is no comparison to be had with the pros.
 
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It's a mix these days, some have the flag in some out and some tended. They also have a caddie to do it for them.
There is no comparison to be had with the pros.

Of course there is a comparison - they want the flag tended for a reason , because they don’t want the flag in the hole when the ball is going towards it’s too ensure that the flag has no affect on the ball going in - why can’t Amateur golfers have that same belief ?
 

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It’s nice and simple

Tending the flag is allowed within the rules

As long as someone is acting within the rules then I would expect his fellow golfers to be respectful of those wishes

We are all golfers who are supposed to respect each other when playing. Remember we all approach the game in different ways and it’s all about finding a way that we can all enjoy playing the game

If someone wants the flag tended then it’s within the rules and we would respect those persons wishes just as we would help people search for balls , repair their pitchmarks , rake bunkers , be quiet when people are playing their shot , stand in the the appropriate place

If tending was unnecessary then why do the Pros continue to do it when the flag can be left in

I'll tend the flagstick for you if you are wearing long socks. If you've got black socks on you can forget it.
 

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It I was to ask my playing partners to participate in a prayer to the Green Man before every putt, because it was part of my superstitious pre-shot routine, would you consider it discourteous to refuse? That's how I feel about tended flags. It's a psychological crutch that you might as well leave in the past.

Prayer isn't in the rules of golf, attending a flag is. So I'd politely decline, which in itself is a courteous way to handle a situation such as that.

Anyway, the problem with saying things should stay in the past is how far back do you go? Back to when flags didn't exist? The rules are the rules, they are curated for all and no one person gets to pick and choose on a whim or preference.

There's a word for people who do pick and choose which rules do or don't apply to them. Begins with C, it's a curious word that can rhyme with both meat and punt. :unsure:
 

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Prayer isn't in the rules of golf, attending a flag is. So I'd politely decline, which in itself is a courteous way to handle a situation such as that.

Anyway, the problem with saying things should stay in the past is how far back do you go? Back to when flags didn't exist? The rules are the rules, they are curated for all and no one person gets to pick and choose on a whim or preference.

There's a word for people who do pick and choose which rules do or don't apply to them. Begins with C, it's a curious word that can rhyme with both meat and punt. :unsure:
Some people's concepts of politeness and courtesy are curious.
Rules, rules, rules and etiquette on the golf course, lack of social niceties in a conversation about golf.
 

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The current rule from England Golf and Scottish Golf:
Do not touch the flag or flagstick. Putt with the flagstick in and remove your own ball from the hole.
The rules are the rules, they are curated for all and no one person gets to pick and choose on a whim or preference.
There's a word for people who do pick and choose which rules do or don't apply to them. Begins with C, it's a curious word that can rhyme with both meat and punt. :unsure:
Do people who pick and choose when to apply this rule fit in with your sounds-like?
 

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Interesting way this has gone - not sure how I'd feel about attending a flag in the short term post pandemic - but I won't be shaking hands with anyone or hugging anyone outside my family in the foreseeable future.

That's an interesting take. I wonder if post pandamic will people see s refusal to attend the flag based on no chance am I touching that

But at same time will people refuse to remove the flag for someone aswell
 
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The current rule from England Golf and Scottish Golf:
Do not touch the flag or flagstick. Putt with the flagstick in and remove your own ball from the hole.
Do people who pick and choose when to apply this rule fit in with your sounds-like?
It was obvious to me that Jimaroid was referring to when we are allowed to touch the flag again.
 

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That's an interesting take. I wonder if post pandamic will people see s refusal to attend the flag based on no chance am I touching that

But at same time will people refuse to remove the flag for someone aswell
In 297 replies, I think only one poster had said they would actually refuse. The flag-in folks, of which I'm one, are saying they'd do it for someone else, even though they don't think it's necessary.
 
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