European Super League

[Sweep]

Not really sure how you can punish a business for trying to set up a perfectly legal alternative marketplace. Handing down punishments would not be a good look for UEFA, particularly in their current position.
You can argue that punishment would deter clubs from trying again. You could also argue it would encourage them to try again to wrestle the control from UEFA.

 

[rksquire]

So the 'big 6' have have pulled out, the Champions League reforms got lost in the middle somewhere with 'special status' entries and more money and bigger prize funds about to be announced for that - did the teams not achieve exactly what they wanted? There won't be any meaningful punishments (does there need to be?), at the end of the day, different business in the same industry floated a plan that would make them money and it hasn't paid off; I know football is often an ethereal term but these clubs exist because of pounds and pence.

All said, there is the additional disgrace of the actions of UEFA and the UK Governments immediate response in all this - they accused the six of 'greed', but it is their own 'greed' that motivated their reactions. Patrick Bamford said it best and this should be the takeaway:

“It’s amazing the amount of uproar that comes in to the game when somebody’s pockets are being hurt.
“It’s a shame it’s not like that when all the things that go wrong with things at the minute, racism and stuff like that."

UEFA and Boris Johnson shouldn't be settling back slapping each other on the back, they should take their energies and address the racism issue. If they can stop the ESL in 48 hours, I'll give them 72 hours to sort racism - or isn't there any monetary value in that?

 

[Sweep]

But when a team goes into administration...it's a points deduction

When they break ffp.. it's a transfer ban

When they break transfer rules it's a transfer ban

Any of them the fans fault? Yet they are punished ...


They should be punished greatly for agreeing to it. Pure greed. Motivation by only money

Disgusting behaviour and their needs to be examples set

Docking lower leagues teams for going into administration is a ridiculous concept and is at the heart of this matter. The football authorities have long ignored that there is a direct correlation between what Rotherham pay a player and what Man U / Chelsea pay. And yet, because FFP is so weak the big teams get all the shiny trophies and the small teams can’t cope with high wages and go into administration. And then they get docked points and the gap widens.
FFP and transfer breaches are a deliberate way of trying to gain an advantage on the pitch and are breaches of clear rules. The ESL saga is entirely different

 

[Crow]

I don't follow football apart from checking results for my team so don't really have a grasp of all this but, I think an ESL or something similar will happen within the next two or three years.
One of the most telling remarks for me was about the young no longer being interested in football.

If this is true, and I suspect that it is to a large degree, then a more "glamorous" format and a fan base with less of the traditional dyed-in-the-wool traits could be the answer to keeping the money coming in.
An ESL with razzmatazz, various viewing platforms and a world audience would do that.

 

[GG26]

How many clubs fans have in the past protested about a chairman/owner of a club not “investing” in the club to bring in more players so the fans can hopefully get success?
Fans demand success and more players brought in usually on ever growing contracts. Let’s not kid ourselves that our demands for the clubs success hasn’t had any contributory factor in all of this.

Whilst this is true, I don’t see it as the main driver for the ESL. The ESL was purely to maximise returns for the investors.

Would be interesting to know that Top would have done if invited here in Leicester. I would like to think that he would not have joined. He and his father Vishai before him are held to be part of the community and I can’t think of a single negative comment about them for several years. We feel truly blessed that they took ownership of the club and the fact that the club are doing so well shows that good owners can succeed.

 

[Piece]

How many clubs fans have in the past protested about a chairman/owner of a club not “investing” in the club to bring in more players so the fans can hopefully get success?
Fans demand success and more players brought in usually on ever growing contracts. Let’s not kid ourselves that our demands for the clubs success hasn’t had any contributory factor in all of this.

There are various ways that football can flourish monetary-wise, whilst preserving and balancing the history, heritage and soul of our game. The current arrangements since 1992, although seedy in various places (sharing of wealth being one), are within acceptable limits imho. The ESL was a massive step too far.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

UEFA hasn’t “snook” anything in we didn’t know about and dome of the changes that come in this year and next (I believe) were announced last year, the Palace chairman was talking about it on monday night.

UEFA is corrupt in my opinion, but let’s not forget, every team still has a chance under their rules, the ESL teams went behind everybodies back to look after themselves and deny others oppurtunities.

As was pointed out last night the ESL Contract was 177 pages thick, this deal they put together wasn’t put together on a whim or in a day or 2, they’ve being working together behind everyone else’s back for months, if not longer.

Something needs to be done, what? I don’t know, but it certainly shouldn’t be simply forgotten about and let the spotlight turn on UEFA, for all UEFA’s issues the “big” Clubs still get the lion share and it’s them who want more.

Focus on UEFA, but also deal with the deceit and lies from those Clubs involved in the ESL.

 

[Captainron]

Would have been nice to see different clubs challenging for the league title without the 6.

 

[Bdill93]

Would have been nice to see different clubs challenging for the league title without the 6.

I was actually looking forward to a league without them.....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

People wanting the clubs punished for the last 48 hours will be mainly looking at the gains that could be gotten from that for their own club - just the same as the demands for null and void when their club was facing relegation last year

Morals are long gone in football and if all 14 clubs were offered the chance to earn £350mil a year extra on top of everything else there is no doubt those other owners would leap at it - they all lap up the money ,none of them turn down the premier league extra money and they fight like made to stay in and for others to join them.

Football a long time ago stopped being a sport first and become a business and those business men that own clubs didn’t become rich with morals and being nice.

Year ago all people used to care about was the 11 players on the pitch , transfers didn’t matter , owners didn’t matter

Sky , Premier League , UEFA , FIFA changed all that

Everyone is scrambling around finding a way to get players like Haaland - he will only be paid a cool £1mil a week , agent getting £50mil , - it’s disgusting but then it’s business

The clubs aren’t going to get fined or docked points or relegated or get to kicked because those clubs are needed to ensure the premier league keep getting the money rolling in and all those other clubs need that money to keep going

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Can we childishly call them by their 'franchise names' for the remainder of the season? We can stop when the new season starts, if we really have to, but a little humiliation would go down well .

People do like a star against a name as well. We could put a star next to each of the six for the next 5 seasons, just so they remember

 

[Deleted member 16999]

People wanting the clubs punished for the last 48 hours will be mainly looking at the gains that could be gotten from that for their own club - just the same as the demands for null and void when their club was facing relegation last year

Morals are long gone in football and if all 14 clubs were offered the chance to earn £350mil a year extra on top of everything else there is no doubt those other owners would leap at it - they all lap up the money ,none of them turn down the premier league extra money and they fight like made to stay in and for others to join them.

Football a long time ago stopped being a sport first and become a business and those business men that own clubs didn’t become rich with morals and being nice.

Year ago all people used to care about was the 11 players on the pitch , transfers didn’t matter , owners didn’t matter

Sky , Premier League , UEFA , FIFA changed all that

Everyone is scrambling around finding a way to get players like Haaland - he will only be paid a cool £1mil a week , agent getting £50mil , - it’s disgusting but then it’s business

The clubs aren’t going to get fined or docked points or relegated or get to kicked because those clubs are needed to ensure the premier league keep getting the money rolling in and all those other clubs need that money to keep going

Said through Red Glasses, how would any of them being fined, let’s say, £1,000,000 with that money going to the EFL Clubs or grassroots Football benefit the other 14?

The facts are simple your owners along with others went behind the backs of everyone else to look after themselves and why did none of the other Clubs turn down the Premier League? Well for one reason it was because they all had a say in it and all had a vote!

Maybe yours and the rest of the other greedy owners may of pulled this off if they’d of been open and honest about it and acted in a different way.

The easiest way this will be buried is to shift the blame on to others and mudfy the waters, eventually we’ll get the pity party of these Clubs having no choice in doing what they did.?‍

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not really sure how you can punish a business for trying to set up a perfectly legal alternative marketplace. Handing down punishments would not be a good look for UEFA, particularly in their current position.
You can argue that punishment would deter clubs from trying again. You could also argue it would encourage them to try again to wrestle the control from UEFA.

Not sure you quite understand how the PL works, it’s not down to just 6 Clubs to tell the other 14 how things will work in the future, the ESL wasn’t just a perfectly alternative marketplace, it depended on the PL doing what they were told by the 6.

Weird how fans from the other “Big 6” Clubs wanted City banned/punished etc when found guilty of breakin FFP rules, but now they’ve been caught out we are getting the “it’s not fair on the fans” to punish them, surely the City fans had nothing to do with breaking the FFP rules?

First thing that needs to be established is if any actual rules have been broken, until we know that, any talk of punishments should be shelved.

I believe there needs to be some accountability, what or how? I don’t know, otherwise this hasn’t been stopped, just delayed.

 

[Orikoru]

100%

The new champions League reforms are superleague in another form

More games on TV.. more money

More spaces for those elite who don't qualify through the league

Just still don't get how spurs got to the table .. serious good work on their part .. I mean arsenal may be a shambles ATM but they have won the league how many times? Same with United .. Chelsea have won champs league .. Liverpool have .. city won the league few times now

What exactly have spurs done to get it? I'd argue Leicester have done more.. they have actually won the premier League ...

https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2021

If the German clubs and PSG declined than that puts us in the top 12. I was going to look for West Ham in the list but I got bored of scrolling.

Whilst I’m glad the ESL is now dead in the water, I wonder how many of the other PL clubs owners would have done exactly the same as the 6 had they been given the chance. I suspect more than their fans want to admit.

Every single one of them would have. Ask a chairman "we're going to set up this new venture which is basically printing money for all of us, would you like to be a part of it, or do you want to miss out and pick up the scraps with everyone else?" and every single one of them would have said 'where do we sign?'.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2021

If the German clubs and PSG declined than that puts us in the top 12. I was going to look for West Ham in the list but I got bored of scrolling.


Every single one of them would have. Ask a chairman "we're going to set up this new venture which is basically printing money for all of us, would you like to be a part of it, or do you want to miss out and pick up the scraps with everyone else?" and every single one of them would have said 'where do we sign?'.

No they wouldn’t, Everton certainly wouldn’t as per their statement yesterday plus why do you think our Clubs are all worse than Bayern or PSG who refused.

I see “Project we had no choice” has started.

 

[Orikoru]

No they wouldn’t, Everton certainly wouldn’t as per their statement yesterday plus why do you think our Clubs are all worse than Bayern or PSG who refused.

I see “Project we had no choice” has started.

Were Everton asked?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Were Everton asked?

Are yous going to have a bus parade for qualifying for the ESL.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Said through Red Glasses, how would any of them being fined, let’s say, £1,000,000 with that money going to the EFL Clubs or grassroots Football benefit the other 14?

The facts are simple your owners along with others went behind the backs of everyone else to look after themselves and why did none of the other Clubs turn down the Premier League? Well for one reason it was because they all had a say in it and all had a vote!

Maybe yours and the rest of the other greedy owners may of pulled this off if they’d of been open and honest about it and acted in a different way.

The easiest way this will be buried is to shift the blame on to others and mudfy the waters, eventually we’ll get the pity party of these Clubs having no choice in doing what they did.?‍

And your posting from a purely from a spurned club level -

No one is shifting blame and every single fan of the clubs who were involved were very critical of it all , didn’t want it to happen and were United with all other fans in their desire for it not to happen - football tribalism for once was put on the back burner so that it could be stopped

Now it’s clear that it’s back to normal and the tribalism is back with demands for punishments - rival clubs fan wanting to see the clubs punished.

Nothing has changed in football And nothing will change - it’s a money business and they all want a slice of the pie

 

[Orikoru]

Are yous going to have a bus parade for qualifying for the ESL.

The point is I would take their sanctimonious statement with a pinch of salt if they weren't even asked. I highly doubt any PL chairman would have declined knowing the top teams were all in for it, as all you do is risk getting left further behind.

 

[Orikoru]

And your posting from a purely from a spurned club level -

No one is shifting blame and every single fan of the clubs who were involved were very critical of it all , didn’t want it to happen and were United with all other fans in their desire for it not to happen - football tribalism for once was put on the back burner so that it could be stopped

Now it’s clear that it’s back to normal and the tribalism is back with demands for punishments - rival clubs fan wanting to see the clubs punished.

Nothing has changed in football And nothing will change - it’s a money business and they all want a slice of the pie

Yep. The likes of West Ham and Everton will be pushing for points deductions - purely so they can nick the top four positions and make more money for themselves in the Champion's League. No other reason.