England

[CMAC]

Forget all this crap about pride and singing anthems. Scottish players always sing 'flower of Scotland' at the top of their voices and they still loose. Our problem is that our players just do not have the technical abilities that foreign players do, that is why our top clubs use them, instead of English players in positions that require those skills. Look at this list of players that I think are the ones that have the ability to work in tight spaces and dribble past players, not just use power and pace.

Man City: Silva & Nasri
L'pool: Couthino & Suarez
Chelsea: Oscar & Hazard
Arsenal: Cazorla & Ozil

please prove me wrong and tell me of one English player that can regularly pick the ball up in a tight position surrounded by players and still come ou the other side with the ball. We looked good for the first half and hour or so against Italy when they where pushing forward and allowing us to use our power and pace, but as soon as they dropped back and tightened things up it was a different story.

its not about the skill level as many have some great skills, imo its about the coaching and management that want teamwork and passing over individual skills. A player tries to show flair once and if he loses the ball he's lambasted by everyone and told to pass pass pass, their flair and creativity is beaten out of them early on with tags of 'selfish player' or 'poacher'.

I counted 7 consecutive passes between the same 2 English defenders in one game, it looked like neither wanted to make a short run for fear of losing the ball, one just blootered it up the park eventually.

I could be way off the mark but just my opinion.



oh and Dodgers right, it's lose!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I counted 7 consecutive passes between the same 2 English defenders in one game, it looked like neither wanted to make a short run for fear of losing the ball.

Oh come on, that is just not fair, they were trying to play like Spain.

 

[Golfmmad]

We can never replicate what Germany and Holland do, as far as coaching the same way at all levels through to the full International team. And the reason quite simply is: there is too much money involved in Football, and in a selfish way nobody cares as long as there is this vast amount of money available to the greedy..............

In my view there is only one Englishman that has the necessary knowledge and know how to pull together an England Team that will be competitive and play with the freedom and passion that will at least give us hope for the future.

And that man is Glen Hoddle - and before anybody mentions it, I'm sure he has learned from his past mistakes.
Remember, he had the balls to send Gascoine home, why did he do that? Because he was serious about the job in hand and would not be distracted by his fun and frolics around the camp in the build up to the World Cup. He was brave enough to give youth a chance - Michael Owen and David Beckham. Just a shame we had "That" ref who sent Beckham off.
I really think he should have been given more time to build a team with his attention to detail and Management skills.

But I doubt it will happen with the present encumbent.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Your assuming everyone would sing it, they wouldn't!

Spot on.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Spot on.

They need to do something, a country the size of England without a national anthem is embarrassing.

Perhaps they should have a competition for a tune with that bearded guy from the choir.

 

[Hacker Khan]

We can never replicate what Germany and Holland do, as far as coaching the same way at all levels through to the full International team. And the reason quite simply is: there is too much money involved in Football, and in a selfish way nobody cares as long as there is this vast amount of money available to the greedy..............

In my view there is only one Englishman that has the necessary knowledge and know how to pull together an England Team that will be competitive and play with the freedom and passion that will at least give us hope for the future.

And that man is Glen Hoddle - and before anybody mentions it, I'm sure he has learned from his past mistakes.
Remember, he had the balls to send Gascoine home, why did he do that? Because he was serious about the job in hand and would not be distracted by his fun and frolics around the camp in the build up to the World Cup. He was brave enough to give youth a chance - Michael Owen and David Beckham. Just a shame we had "That" ref who sent Beckham off.
I really think he should have been given more time to build a team with his attention to detail and Management skills.

But I doubt it will happen with the present encumbent.

I know, if it wasn't for 'that ref' and not the fact that he had the potential talents of the golden generation at their prime but failed to go past a quarter final, we'd be world beaters.

 

[Beezerk]

We can never replicate what Germany and Holland do, as far as coaching the same way at all levels through to the full International team. And the reason quite simply is: there is too much money involved in Football, and in a selfish way nobody cares as long as there is this vast amount of money available to the greedy..............

In my view there is only one Englishman that has the necessary knowledge and know how to pull together an England Team that will be competitive and play with the freedom and passion that will at least give us hope for the future.

And that man is Glen Hoddle - and before anybody mentions it, I'm sure he has learned from his past mistakes.
Remember, he had the balls to send Gascoine home, why did he do that? Because he was serious about the job in hand and would not be distracted by his fun and frolics around the camp in the build up to the World Cup. He was brave enough to give youth a chance - Michael Owen and David Beckham. Just a shame we had "That" ref who sent Beckham off.
I really think he should have been given more time to build a team with his attention to detail and Management skills.

But I doubt it will happen with the present encumbent.

I always thought Hoddle and Venables were the two best England managers to leave the post well before their time.

 

[MadAdey]

its not about the skill level as many have some great skills, imo its about the coaching and management that want teamwork and passing over individual skills. A player tries to show flair once and if he loses the ball he's lambasted by everyone and told to pass pass pass, their flair and creativity is beaten out of them early on with tags of 'selfish player' or 'poacher'.

I counted 7 consecutive passes between the same 2 English defenders in one game, it looked like neither wanted to make a short run for fear of losing the ball, one just blootered it up the park eventually.

I could be way off the mark but just my opinion.



oh and Dodgers right, it's lose!

Blame stupid crapple iPads, they do have a way of changing what you write if your not careful........

can an you tell me one player at the minute that really has the ability to dribble the ball past players. I'm not talking about the likes of Walcott and Sterling who use pace, but some like Suarez who can dribble round players in the area on a regular basis. When ever you watch match MOTD it is always foreigners that are the ones weaving in and out of players with the ball at their feet, not the English players.

 

[MadAdey]

I always thought Hoddle and Venables were the two best England managers to leave the post well before their time.

It was a shame wasn't it. But venables was going into a big old court case so needed to give up the job and Hoddle made one stupid remark. I still wonder how the FA selects head coaches though. McClaren, had a couple of good seasons in charge of Middlesbrough, no offence to Boro' fans but it was hardly a high profile job with top end players. Then you get the wonderful Woy, took over at Liverpool and god knows what would have happened there if he did not get the boot from that job. Got rid of decent players and replaced them with crap, Then the FA give him the England job.

 

[Fish]

It hurts me say as I see him mainly as a spurs man first and foremost, but, the starting point when the Chelsea revolution began and the club transformed itself from the struggling one of the 80's and early 90's to the global side they are now was under Glenn Hoddle's management between 1993 to 1996.

Hoddle was a stylish player and he carried that ethos into his management and transformed the style of play to one not seen at the Bridge since the early 70's. His signings of Mark Hughes and especially Ruud Gullit were sensations at the time and took Chelsea into another league in terms of quality and reputation and would in turn allow Gullit, when he took over, to attract the likes of Di Matteo, Leboeuf and Zola and then many others, all pre-Abramovich.

Hoddle set the foundations, both on and as importantly off the pitch, but the lure of England meant he wasn't able to see it through to it's full trophy winning potential himself, if Jose wasn't manager would I have him back, yes in a heartbeat.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The team Hoddle/Gorman built at Swindon played beautiful football.
It was basically a team of lower division players and a couple of seniors.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I did like this one.....

 

[Val]

Hands off, it's ours!

No it's not

 

[Fish]

Hands off, it's ours!

No it's not

and you can both keep it :smirk:

 

[Hacker Khan]

Then you get the wonderful Woy, took over at Liverpool and god knows what would have happened there if he did not get the boot from that job. Got rid of decent players and replaced them with crap, Then the FA give him the England job.

He had previous international experience and at the time England were looking for someone English. As the FA always lurch from foreign manager who can't connect with the English lads to English manager who can connect but tactically is not at the races, and then back to a foreign manager etc etc. And after Capello we needed an English manager, and at the time he was the best man for the job.

It's a bit like the players, it's a bit pointless blaming him and saying if he had someone else it would be a lot different, as it would not. There are more underlying fundamental problems that a new manager or replacing Gerrard won't change. And if that is all we do then we will continue making the same mistakes.

 

[richy]

It was a shame wasn't it. But venables was going into a big old court case so needed to give up the job and Hoddle made one stupid remark. I still wonder how the FA selects head coaches though. McClaren, had a couple of good seasons in charge of Middlesbrough, no offence to Boro' fans but it was hardly a high profile job with top end players. Then you get the wonderful Woy, took over at Liverpool and god knows what would have happened there if he did not get the boot from that job. Got rid of decent players and replaced them with crap, Then the FA give him the England job.

Mclaren had been sven's assistant and stepped up

Hodgson left WBA to manage England plus he has lots of experience before Liverpool.

 

[Golfmmad]

It hurts me say as I see him mainly as a spurs man first and foremost, but, the starting point when the Chelsea revolution began and the club transformed itself from the struggling one of the 80's and early 90's to the global side they are now was under Glenn Hoddle's management between 1993 to 1996.

Hoddle was a stylish player and he carried that ethos into his management and transformed the style of play to one not seen at the Bridge since the early 70's. His signings of Mark Hughes and especially Ruud Gullit were sensations at the time and took Chelsea into another league in terms of quality and reputation and would in turn allow Gullit, when he took over, to attract the likes of Di Matteo, Leboeuf and Zola and then many others, all pre-Abramovich.

Hoddle set the foundations, both on and as importantly off the pitch, but the lure of England meant he wasn't able to see it through to it's full trophy winning potential himself, if Jose wasn't manager would I have him back, yes in a heartbeat.

Spot on Fish, and I'd forgotten all about Hoddle's stint at Chelsea, and Swindon too! Where did all of those years go.

I have just as much respect for Venables too - maybe they could make it a joint venture?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Why has Hoddle not been mentioned for other big jobs? An excellent manager,talks a lot of sense as a pundit aswell.