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Sorry Phil but not for the first time you refuse to accept anybody else's right to have an opinion and you have to be right. This makes it so difficult and frustrating to have a balanced debate and as you've cornered this for your own point making again, I'm bowing out less I get in trouble again. It's a shame you seem it has to always be your way or no way
 
therod said:
This is exactly what I mean, finger pointing cliched nonsense. If not Gerrard then who, if not Rooney then who. They are our best players, they came up short, as the previous incarnations have done. All this Hand wringing, finger pointing nonsense is a waste of time.
If we had no expectations going into the tournement, in a really tough group, then why are we surprised ?

Arm chair, plastic championship managers :thup:
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...Look when the wife who has no idea about football,says that was a right shower of 5h1te,you know there are big problems,tough group my backside!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Majority of the country ? Done a quick straw poll ? Just watched Henry and Seedorf and Ferdinand slate the CB's for the goal

The hypocritical nature of people on here is laughable - the moral high ground adopted by people demanding England players were supported now turn the knives on the captain after missing a header 40 yards from goal and a tackle 40 yards from goal.

Laughable truely laughable.
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The thing is that's all he did last night. He weant missing for most of the match. Some captain

BTW you never answer my question about him being a Liverpool player but you silence speaks volumes
 
richy said:
The thing is that's all he did last night. He weant missing for most of the match. Some captain

BTW you never answer my question about him being a Liverpool player but you silence speaks volumes
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What is the point in answering your question ?

My opinion when people play for England has nothing to do with the club they play for - but you won't believe that anyway
 
Rumpokid said:
...Look when the wife who has no idea about football,says that was a right shower of 5h1te,you know there are big problems,tough group my backside!
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2 teams with a higher ranking as well as a superior record against England. That was a tough group.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Sorry Phil but not for the first time you refuse to accept anybody else's right to have an opinion and you have to be right. This makes it so difficult and frustrating to have a balanced debate and as you've cornered this for your own point making again, I'm bowing out less I get in trouble again. It's a shame you seem it has to always be your way or no way
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Yep he was the same with the G Swann thing ..............EYG
 
richy said:
I didn't mean any players, players from your club.

I've praised and been critical of players from Liverpool/Man U etc. can you say the same?
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I do believe I have been critical of Johnson for his poor performances this World Cup

As I said my opinion is irrelevant of the club they play for.
 
I find it disappointing that England players do not bring their club form to the World Cup. Look at teams like Chile, and Costa Rica, not full of top players, but they play out of their socks for their Country. They also have a type of player we have not had for years, a defensive midfielder that can defend foremost and pass the ball to the more creative midfielders. A player that most fans don't even notice, but provides a link between defence and attack.

I would say that I think the England defence is the weakest I think I have ever seen. Centre backs that are very average with little pace, and full backs that should be able to defend first, and attack second. Ashley Cole is the type of full back you need in major competitions. I want to see the wide midfielders getting the ball into the box, not the likes of Glen Johnson.

Must admit I was not expecting us to qualify, but it is still very disappointing. Let's build a team for the next World Cup rather than throwing in a bunch of individuals.:thup:
 
Rumpokid said:
England have been poor in both games. End of.
As viewed from the missus's eyes who does not follow football, her comment was,"why does no-one pass it to each other". enough said.
From my perspective,said before results, Terry and Cole should have gone, i know issues with Terry,but good centre half.
Baines out of his depth,to soon for him.
I am Jags fan, seen him plenty at the Lane,but to soon for him also.
Hart, comes way to far off his line a lot of the time.To hyped up.
Side was made up of too many second rate Liverpool players,so we got our justs.
Never thought Gerrard's head would be together, after end of prem season.
Sterling will be another John Barnes.
So all in all, after 2 of their most important matches to date, we were outplayed, outthought, and outclassed...
....By the way, it pains me to say it, as i am an England fan,not a non-supporter like some....There is no easy answer, or fix that i can see happening to the way we play for years come..And yes,Hodgson should take a lot of the flak too.Couldn't change things when needed.
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Are you making a late run for presidency of the anti-Liverpool GM club? guest100718 and Pinseeker have it sewn up, but maybe a late push might see you through…..

Maybe you should listen to the wife more, speaks more sense than you:-
Too soon for Baines – he’s 30.
Too soon for jags – he’s 32.
When will they be ready then? 40 and 42?

Too many second rate Liverpool players (the same ones who lots were saying that they should build the team around, BUT only if they played with the same team attacking attitude, which was no chance with _oy in charge.
You’ll slag Phil off for defending Liverpool players, but when met with the same crap from you, it’s no wonder.

Supporting a tin pot club like Sheff united mustn’t give you much to talk about on here, so I can understand you jumping on any Liverpool, story when it suits. Enjoy your hobby, petal.

BTW Gerrard was crap, from the limited time I did see of last night’s game.
 
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Pin-seeker said:
Sorry but I disagree. He had no right backs to choose & had limited options at CB. Walcott was a big loss IMO.
Roy's first job is to pick a new captain.
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So what's going to change over the next 2yrs because I dont see great English rb/cb playing in the league now. With possibly the exception of Stones/Shaw.

On the captaincy I think it should be Welbeck.

He can't hide behind the players blaming the poor players he had to choose from.

He's a very nice man with over 38yrs European football experience and looks absolutely clueless when things aren't going well.

Walcott was a miss, but the book stops with the manager.

He isn't good enough and I'm confident they'll fail to qualify for 2016 Euro's under him.
 
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