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[Deleted member 15344]

Johnson played better than Gerrard yesterday (I honestly never thought I'd type that)

Would have nothing between the two of them. Johnson has been poor going forward as well as defending.

Regardless of what players people want to pick out and blame

The tactics employed by Owl Face take a lot of the blame - I will never understand why he plays Lallana in the warm ups but then sticks with Welbeck who offers nothing going forward !

 

[AmandaJR]

We were beaten in both matches because we're not good enough and not by a long way - depressing as it is to say that. Poor control throughout, dreadful passing throughout, poor positional play throughout...just poor, poor, poor. Some poorer than others but as a whole, over two games, I can't think of a single player who was good enough on the world stage to make a difference. For me Cahill was the best of a poor lot but often just had too much to do as the rest of the defence caved in around him.

I don't have an answer except to reduce my expectations even further than they'd already plummeted to. Can't help but dream though so always gutted when we're let down. Plan to tune into the rugby tomorrow to restore some faith in an Englishman playing his heart out for his country.

 

[GB72]

First I would point out that any comment I make comes from a slightly naive point of view because I am not a died in the wool football fan.

People say that they are surprised that club form does not follow into international matches but it really is no shock to me. In the sports that we have recent history of being good at on an international level the players spend as much, if not more time with the international squad than with their clubs. These, however, are sports where wearing your nations shirt is the pinacle if any career. In a sport like football where a 6th sense about what your teanmate is going to do next is vital, it is hardly surprising that a team with players who withdraw from friendlies etc with supposed injuries have little understanding of what the rest of the team are thinking. Add to this the fact that you cannot select while units like a back 4 because there are so few english players in the premiership let alone playing together and you are going to struggle to put a cohesive performance together

 

[richart]

First I would point out that any comment I make comes from a slightly naive point of view because I am not a died in the wool football fan.

People say that they are surprised that club form does not follow into international matches but it really is no shock to me. In the sports that we have recent history of being good at on an international level the players spend as much, if not more time with the international squad than with their clubs. These, however, are sports where wearing your nations shirt is the pinacle if any career. In a sport like football where a 6th sense about what your teanmate is going to do next is vital, it is hardly surprising that a team with players who withdraw from friendlies etc with supposed injuries have little understanding of what the rest of the team are thinking. Add to this the fact that you cannot select while units like a back 4 because there are so few english players in the premiership let alone playing together and you are going to struggle to put a cohesive performance together

Good point, but other Countries seem to be able to do it. Just watched France in the first half against Switzerland. they have a lot of Premiership players from different clubs playing for them, and they seem to be able to play as a team.

Didn't think I would say this but Switzerland have an even weaker defence than England.

 

[GB72]

Again, just hypothesising as I have no idea but does playing for the national team take on a greater significance for players who spend their lives playing in a foreign country for a team they have little personal or rmotional attachment to.

 

[richy]

Would have nothing between the two of them. Johnson has been poor going forward as well as defending.

Regardless of what players people want to pick out and blame

The tactics employed by Owl Face take a lot of the blame - I will never understand why he plays Lallana in the warm ups but then sticks with Welbeck who offers nothing going forward !

Owl face?

Maybe it was just that rodent that they had up front. He is a quality footballer and I bet he could eat a Big Mac through a letterbox no problem.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Owl face?

Maybe it was just that rodent that they had up front. He is a quality footballer and I bet he could eat a Big Mac through a letterbox no problem.

I bet he could - world class footballer though :thup:

Oh and Owl Face

 

[richy]

I bet he could - world class footballer though :thup:

Oh and Owl Face

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I'd love to know what you look like. Bet you beat them off with a stick.

Appearances, problems with speech. Is there anything you won't ridicule someone for?

Are you actually from Liverpool? You don't act like most scousers I've met (although we haven't met).

 

[bozza]

Not 1 England player has had a good tournament so far.

One or two players have been average at best it's as simple as that.

I honestly never expect to see England win a major tournament in my lifetime.

 

[3565]

Sorry,GERRARD, culperable for 2nd goal last night,was a great flick on at pace,and SUAREZ ,like when playing at LIVERPOOL gambled correctly..Game over

Think you'll find Gerrard was responsible for the first goal too with a half hearted tackle in centre circle, that led to ball won by there player who gave it to Cavani to Suarez and gooooooooooooaaaaaaaaallllllllllll.

 

[Hobbit]

Two out of 3 matches played, and the half term school report might say "lacks concentration and application."

Hart - showed serious moments of indecision 4/10.
Baines - a very poor first game but should improvement in the last game., 5/10
Jagielka - non-descript at best 3/10
Cahill - made some decent tackles but was exposed by the lack of a decent partner 5/10
Johnson - better than expected, especially in the 2nd game, but not good enough on the international stage, 4/10

Gerrard - lacking pace, poor tackling and passes going astray 4/10
Henderson - reminded me of Gerrard in his early years. Good positional play and lots of energy 6/10
Rooney - played out of position in the first game, not doing himself or Baines any favours. A better 2nd game. Good ball retention and decent distribution 6/10
Sterling - showed flashes of brilliance but far too often ran into a cul de sac and was surrounded by opposition players, who took the ball off him. In truth, too naive and a tournament too early 5/10
Sturridge - England's player of the tournament so far, though he hasn't had much to beat. Better service would have seen more goals, 7/10
Welbeck - better than expected, especially in the 2nd game 5/10
Lallana - limited opportunities but showed enough to suggest he's worth a good punt 5/10

So what would I have done differently? Terry and Cahill together, as much as I detest Terry as an individual you can't take away the fact he is still England's best CB. Midfield, a tough one... Lampard and Gerrard in midfield. And play Henderson in there to provide a more solid 3 in central midfield. Lampard to go forward up the left but also provide some steel in front of the LB.

The wrong blend of youth and experience, and the naivity was exposed on numerous occasions.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Owl face.... watch it.
Liverpoolphil said it was bad form to make comments on peoples features after the buck teeth Suarez post.

Oh sorry, that was Liverpoolphils post.

 

[JCW]

I'd love to know what you look like. Bet you beat them off with a stick.

Appearances, problems with speech. Is there anything you won't ridicule someone for?

Are you actually from Liverpool? You don't act like most scousers I've met (although we haven't met).

If he was a bird he would be a Vulture as he seems to land on every post on here for a bite and get a debate going LOL , bottom line is we had the players but choose to play proven losers in international matches ...............EYG

 

[Beezerk]

Anyway, now we are out we can sit back, relax and enjoy the proper football :thup:

 

[bozza]

Two out of 3 matches played, and the half term school report might say "lacks concentration and application."

Hart - showed serious moments of indecision 4/10.
Baines - a very poor first game but should improvement in the last game., 5/10
Jagielka - non-descript at best 3/10
Cahill - made some decent tackles but was exposed by the lack of a decent partner 5/10
Johnson - better than expected, especially in the 2nd game, but not good enough on the international stage, 4/10

Gerrard - lacking pace, poor tackling and passes going astray 4/10
Henderson - reminded me of Gerrard in his early years. Good positional play and lots of energy 6/10
Rooney - played out of position in the first game, not doing himself or Baines any favours. A better 2nd game. Good ball retention and decent distribution 6/10
Sterling - showed flashes of brilliance but far too often ran into a cul de sac and was surrounded by opposition players, who took the ball off him. In truth, too naive and a tournament too early 5/10
Sturridge - England's player of the tournament so far, though he hasn't had much to beat. Better service would have seen more goals, 7/10
Welbeck - better than expected, especially in the 2nd game 5/10
Lallana - limited opportunities but showed enough to suggest he's worth a good punt 5/10

So what would I have done differently? Terry and Cahill together, as much as I detest Terry as an individual you can't take away the fact he is still England's best CB. Midfield, a tough one... Lampard and Gerrard in midfield. And play Henderson in there to provide a more solid 3 in central midfield. Lampard to go forward up the left but also provide some steel in front of the LB.

The wrong blend of youth and experience, and the naivity was exposed on numerous occasions.

I agree with most of this apart from playing Lampard, in that heat and intensity he wouldn't last the pace.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If he was a bird he would be a Vulture as he seems to land on every post on here for a bite and get a debate going LOL , bottom line is we had the players but choose to play proven losers in international matches ...............EYG

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We don't have the players, that is the whole issue. Playing some 16 year old instead of Gerrard wound have made chuff all difference.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Owl face.... watch it.
Liverpoolphil said it was bad form to make comments on peoples features after the buck teeth Suarez post.

Oh sorry, that was Liverpoolphils post.

I'm guessing you fail to spot sarcasm

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd love to know what you look like. Bet you beat them off with a stick.

Appearances, problems with speech. Is there anything you won't ridicule someone for?

Are you actually from Liverpool? You don't act like most scousers I've met (although we haven't met).

Well I used to be called sheep because I have curly hair as a kid and nickname in the forces was beaker because I hav a small head - but I don't jump on a high horse over the nicknames about my appearance because I realise it's banter and light hearted Mickey taking.

Have a quick read of Rawk if you want to see what the Liverpool FC call Woy - certainly a lot worse than owl face !

How do scousers act then to allow you to make a judgement that I'm different ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Two out of 3 matches played, and the half term school report might say "lacks concentration and application."

Hart - showed serious moments of indecision 4/10.
Baines - a very poor first game but should improvement in the last game., 5/10
Jagielka - non-descript at best 3/10
Cahill - made some decent tackles but was exposed by the lack of a decent partner 5/10
Johnson - better than expected, especially in the 2nd game, but not good enough on the international stage, 4/10

Gerrard - lacking pace, poor tackling and passes going astray 4/10
Henderson - reminded me of Gerrard in his early years. Good positional play and lots of energy 6/10
Rooney - played out of position in the first game, not doing himself or Baines any favours. A better 2nd game. Good ball retention and decent distribution 6/10
Sterling - showed flashes of brilliance but far too often ran into a cul de sac and was surrounded by opposition players, who took the ball off him. In truth, too naive and a tournament too early 5/10
Sturridge - England's player of the tournament so far, though he hasn't had much to beat. Better service would have seen more goals, 7/10
Welbeck - better than expected, especially in the 2nd game 5/10
Lallana - limited opportunities but showed enough to suggest he's worth a good punt 5/10

So what would I have done differently? Terry and Cahill together, as much as I detest Terry as an individual you can't take away the fact he is still England's best CB. Midfield, a tough one... Lampard and Gerrard in midfield. And play Henderson in there to provide a more solid 3 in central midfield. Lampard to go forward up the left but also provide some steel in front of the LB.

The wrong blend of youth and experience, and the naivity was exposed on numerous occasions.

My markings would be

Hart - 4

Johnson - 3
Cahill - 5
Jägelkia - 3
Baines - 4

Gerrard - 5
Henderson - 6

Sterling - 7
Rooney - 5
Welbeck - 4

Sturridge - 7

Can't recall any of the subs making a difference but some where criminally under used

Done differently ?

Would have taken both Flanagan and Stones instead of Jones and Smalling

Played

Hart

Flanagan
Cahill
Stones
Shaw

Gerrard
Henderson
Oxlade

Sterling
Sturridge
Lallana

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'm guessing you fail to spot sarcasm

I can but I can also spot philliblustering.