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[c1973]

Load of rubbish.Might be good enough for Scotland,but not England.

Unfortunately you're correct. I'm not sure when Scots started swallowing this 'jam tomorrow' way of thinking when it comes to the national team, but it's been going on since '98 at least. I'm still waiting on the crop of wonder kids coming through!

 

[Jack_bfc]

These kind of navel gazing recriminations are about as predictable as us going out of a major tournament early. I don't know where this sense of entitlement comes from. The fact is we lost to 2 teams ranked higher than us in the world rankings. Is it really that much of a surprise ?? It also makes me laugh when any togetherness we have disintegrates at the first sign of any set back.

We have no right to expect to succeed, we never have!! Our system is set up for club football not national success.

My little boy was gutted this morning when he found out we lost. He'd better get used to that feeling if he's gonna support England.

My only disappointment is that it wasn't a glorious failure, I like a glorious failure, think Italy 1990, that was glorious !!

We played worse than this in the group games in 1990...

 

[Rumpokid]

These kind of navel gazing recriminations are about as predictable as us going out of a major tournament early. I don't know where this sense of entitlement comes from. The fact is we lost to 2 teams ranked higher than us in the world rankings. Is it really that much of a surprise ?? It also makes me laugh when any togetherness we have disintegrates at the first sign of any set back.

We have no right to expect to succeed, we never have!! Our system is set up for club football not national success.

My little boy was gutted this morning when he found out we lost. He'd better get used to that feeling if he's gonna support England.

My only disappointment is that it wasn't a glorious failure, I like a glorious failure, think Italy 1990, that was glorious !!

Fiirstly,how do you account for Spain exiting early with this hypothesis?
Secondly,the amount of FA money gone into grass roots football blows this point out of the water.By the way,you cannot compare premier league i.e. set up to internationlal set up.
Thirdly,sorry for your boy.It is hard if he is football mad,and you are right there,he'll have to get used to it.
Finally,the charge of the light brigade was a glorious failure.No such thing i am afraid.The Italia 90 side were a good side,built from 86..They were unlucky, Waddle woodwork,Gazza,fraction to late,but that is how it goes.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well it's looking likely that England are out. Costa Rica 1 up against Italy

 

[Deleted member 1740]

So, after 2 failed competitions (Euro 12 WC 14) Mr Hodgson will remain as England manager!!

When you've clowns in charge of the national game you end up with a clown of a manager.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Load of rubbish.Might be good enough for Scotland,but not England.

Don't know about Scotland but The Dutch seemed to have mastered the art.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

We played worse than this in the group games in 1990...

Regardless of how they played, they qualified!!

England need to get a proper manager in asap or it'll be at least another 10 yrs before they progress.

There's some very good young English talent around and leaving it upto Mr Hodgson to develop them scares me.

 

[User20205]

Fiirstly,how do you account for Spain exiting early with this hypothesis?
Secondly,the amount of FA money gone into grass roots football blows this point out of the water.By the way,you cannot compare premier league i.e. set up to internationlal set up.
Thirdly,sorry for your boy.It is hard if he is football mad,and you are right there,he'll have to get used to it.
Finally,the charge of the light brigade was a glorious failure.No such thing i am afraid.The Italia 90 side were a good side,built from 86..They were unlucky, Waddle woodwork,Gazza,fraction to late,but that is how it goes.

Spain are on the descent of the mountain, we've not even reached base camp!

It's not about they money being invested, otherwise Brazil, the argies the rest of the world would be rubbish. The premier league teams, until recently weren't bothered about developing English talent, not when they can buy cheap off the shelf from abroad. Maybe financial FairPlay will change that, but not overnight.

My point is, we're not great, we never have been.

 

[Pin-seeker]

So, after 2 failed competitions (Euro 12 WC 14) Mr Hodgson will remain as England manager!!

When you've clowns in charge of the national game you end up with a clown of a manager.

Sorry but I disagree. He had no right backs to choose & had limited options at CB. Walcott was a big loss IMO.
Roy's first job is to pick a new captain.

 

[User20205]

So, after 2 failed competitions (Euro 12 WC 14) Mr Hodgson will remain as England manager!!

When you've clowns in charge of the national game you end up with a clown of a manager.

He's cheap though!! Apparently the FA have gone on record as saying they won't go foreign again. If not Roy, there is no one else.

Bring back Sven, I liked him. Germany 1 England 5 was brilliant, that still makes me smile. We'll always have Munich:thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Don't know about Scotland but The Dutch seemed to have mastered the art.

The Dutch don't play direct football !!

 

[User20205]

The Dutch don't play direct football !!

They play shhhhexy football:thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So, after 2 failed competitions (Euro 12 WC 14) Mr Hodgson will remain as England manager!!

When you've clowns in charge of the national game you end up with a clown of a manager.

He is a FA man through and through - not going to give them any hassle nor create any negative headlines.

 

[richy]

Yes you said as such in another thread

If you can't see how anyone can say otherwise then it's not worth anyone bothering to disagree

If you want to disagree I'd be happy to listen to you

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you want to disagree I'd be happy to listen to you

Gerrard hasn't played his best football nor his worst

Cahill poor marking cost England against Italy plus the poor play up front

Against Urugauy he missed a header and a tackle but Jägelkia positioning cost two goals

So whilst Gerrard wasn't great the 4 behind him were worse throughout both games

The only things both Baines and Johnson contributed each was a cross

Only three players can prob hold their head up a little - Henderson , Sterling and Sturridge

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So Costa Rica are through - think that means England are out - first time they are out after only 2 games ever

 

[c1973]

I'll tell ye what, that Costa Rica team would probably beat you as well. Might be a good job they are through and will possibly be resting some players.

 

[Pin-seeker]

So Costa Rica are through - think that means England are out - first time they are out after only 2 games ever

But Rooney was our best player when played in his position :thup:

 

[richart]

No I cannot, but then I'm not a football scout travelling the country watching games.

You are correct in thinking that if a lower league player is good enough for England the it won't be long before a top club signs him up.

I see a lot of the championship games, and the one player that stands out for me that could well play for England is Danny Ings. Only 21 and will be in the Premiership with Burnley next season. England need some new strikers, and he is a natural finisher.

 

[6inchcup]

Gerrard hasn't played his best football nor his worst

Cahill poor marking cost England against Italy plus the poor play up front

Against Urugauy he missed a header and a tackle but Jägelkia positioning cost two goals

So whilst Gerrard wasn't great the 4 behind him were worse throughout both games

The only things both Baines and Johnson contributed each was a cross

Only three players can prob hold their head up a little - Henderson , Sterling and Sturridge

STERLING was poor last night and was in awe of SAUREZ,same as GERRARD as if the had got the call from RODGERS to protect SAUREZ and his doggy leg,not one ENGLAND player can say the worked their tripe off for the team,NOT ONE.