Golfmmad
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I didn't champion Sam or Hodgson.
As has already been said, "We've been down the Foreigner Manager route before".
It just wouldn't sit right with me - it has to be England team - England Manager.
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I didn't champion Sam or Hodgson.
As has already been said, "We've been down the Foreigner Manager route before".
It just wouldn't sit right with me - it has to be England team - England Manager.
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The foreign manager that better any previous English managers results over the last 20 years
Sticking with English - sticks with disappointment and failure or reducing expectations.
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Their is no chance of Hoddle getting the job, imagine the first question.
"Glenn, what are your thoughts on disabled people ?"
The FA wouldn't risk it, after this fiasco I genuinely don't think they've got a clue who next.
Agree on the best available.
Golfmmad
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Yep, agreed, but they've already got Southgate for four games. Maybe Hoddle could join him and take over after.
Edit:
Just seen on the news, Theo Walcott scored both goals for Arsenal tonight.
Oh how I wish he'd played at the Euros!
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Agree we should look for the best and currently the best are foreign.
Liverbirdie
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To use an analogy, and one I'm guessing at.
Liverpool desparately needed a LB going into this season. I "think" Klopp relaised this. We were linked with a few, put the odd bid in, but none happened. We may have gone down to 4-5th choice on what the scouts identified......but how far down the list do you go? Do you go with the17th best LB that you identify, or do you maybe say, lets wait until January or even next season, and get one that we really want. In the meantime, we'll play Milner there, cant be any worse.
I think the FA have the same conundrum.....how far down the list do you go, as there are no outstanding English candidates.
Or
Sod what nationality they are and instead of getting our 8th choice Englishman, who doesnt really tick any boxes, go with a foreigner who ticks a few of the boxes.
To me going for Bruce, Pardew et al (or el tel
) is accepting mediocrity. It keeps the little Ingurlanders happy, but probably just carries on the years of under-achievement.
Liverpool desparately needed a LB going into this season. I "think" Klopp relaised this. We were linked with a few, put the odd bid in, but none happened. We may have gone down to 4-5th choice on what the scouts identified......but how far down the list do you go? Do you go with the17th best LB that you identify, or do you maybe say, lets wait until January or even next season, and get one that we really want. In the meantime, we'll play Milner there, cant be any worse.
I think the FA have the same conundrum.....how far down the list do you go, as there are no outstanding English candidates.
Or
Sod what nationality they are and instead of getting our 8th choice Englishman, who doesnt really tick any boxes, go with a foreigner who ticks a few of the boxes.
To me going for Bruce, Pardew et al (or el tel
) is accepting mediocrity. It keeps the little Ingurlanders happy, but probably just carries on the years of under-achievement.
sawtooth
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I'd be happy with that. After all its the English national team, team England should not include foreign staff. It doesn't happen in Germany and without looking it probably doesn't happen in Italy or Spain either. What a sad state of affairs that we cant trust any English coach with managing the national team. An own goal for the FA if ever I saw it. Millions spent on grass root development, training camp, Wembley, coaches, yet we don't have 1 single capable coach?!
We tried the foreign manager route and it didn't work. It was worth doing to see if the problem really was with our coaches. It clearly isn't, its our players. They are technically short of where they should be, and mentally and emotionally they are not right either. I blame the FA. Introduce more home grown player rules and initiatives and get some more good young players through. Players that can use both feet, keep the ball on the ground, that are comfortable on the ball, that want to play for their country and ones that don't crumble as soon as the going gets tough.
Liverbirdie
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My god, you just dont get it do you?
Spain, Italy and Germany have won many international trophies over the last 50 years.........so maybe they know something about winning, and dont have to go outside their countries for coaches.
Keep sticking your head in the sand, and crossing your fingers that an Englishman will do it, then.
Ok, my choices are:-
1. Arsene.
2. Wenger.
3. The current Arsenal manager, think he's French.
Happy now?
sawtooth
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You cant polish a turd and that's what you want to do by getting the best foreign coach in the world.
Problems run deeper than that and if anyone has their heads in the sand its the FA. The system is broke its not the man that picks the team and formation.
You think Pep will win us the world cup? Think again.
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Q. Which England manager (except Sam) has the best win % during their time as Manager?
A. That lad from Devon, Fabio Capello.
So when we tried the foreign route we got the better results and the media pushed for us to go back to an Englishman and all since have failed.
By the way, I'd have no issues with Wenger having a go.
Liverbirdie
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More chance than Bruce or Pardew.:thup:
sawtooth
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Would he though? He couldn't transfer Hart for Bravo for starters. He would be stuck with Smalling, Cahill, Rooney..... It would probably be hugely frustrating for Pep.
Bruce or Pardew might get the same if not more from the current crop of players you don't know. History suggests I'm right because we've had supposed world class foreign coaches before and they have failed miserably.
Liverbirdie
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History also suggests that English managers have failed miserably, so cant see how you are right.
sawtooth
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Right in the sense that players are the main problem not the coaches.
You can only be as good as the players allow you to be so it may not matter a great deal to have English coaches.
No idea why the FA have a continuing fixation with an English manager when it works in other sports and for other countries. Find the best man for the job surely, and to my mind that isn't Southgate, Hoddle, Bruce, Pardew etc or indeed any of the current Emglish options available
Whilst i agree we don't really have any top English coaches, i still don't believe a foreign coach is the way to go. We have lost our identity somewhere, we've tried to slow our play down control possession more but thats simply not our way. The majority of our players play high tempo premiership football and i think thats our best way to progress as a nation. I remember when players and the manager would be harassed for not singing the anthem passionately enough. I genuinely cant imagine that when the chios are down in a semi final that a foreign coach would get as worked up managing a different nation against his own.
But surely a good coach can adapt their strategies and style to an English way of playing without trying to get the players to try and play something foreign to what they do week in week out, and it's one of things I think undid Sven at the finals. Basically whatever you cut it, we as a footballing nation are in the smelly stuff and it could take a while to get out and get it right, at which time we lose the potential of Rashford etc going forward
Imurg
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I don't get this " must be English" stance...
Don't we want the best manager for the job..?
Why does it matter where he or even she comes from?
If your choice is between a 3rd tier Englishman and a top notch foreigner it seems many would prefer to be Crewe rather than Man C/Liverpool/ManU etc...
I don't understand.
English managers haven't had much success in the last 40 years have they.....
Bring in the best .....
Don't we want the best manager for the job..?
Why does it matter where he or even she comes from?
If your choice is between a 3rd tier Englishman and a top notch foreigner it seems many would prefer to be Crewe rather than Man C/Liverpool/ManU etc...
I don't understand.
English managers haven't had much success in the last 40 years have they.....
Bring in the best .....
Marshy77
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Not sure about that, look what he's done to Sterling in the few months that he's been at City. If the players are safe in the knowledge that they'll carry on the English way then they aren't going to do or learn any that new. With a 'Pep' style manager/management he may be able to draw something from them that an English coach couldn't or wouldn't do.
Tashyboy
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Oi, keep Pep out of this discussion, he is happy where he is.
That aside. What Pep does do is improve players. Well at least the ones he can work with. YaYa and Joe Hart are ones that he cannot. He does not work with egos, so there would be your Rooney problem playing for England sorted straight away. Sterling and Stones are playing out of there skins. In a stonking game last night Sterling was MEN player of the night. Quite frankly, the comment you cannot
" polish a turd" which is a personal favourite saying of mine, does not stop at the English football team. The whole of the FA is a turd.
Missis T said, yup we are goin to find out about more managers who have been stung, but will we hear about managers who refused to take bungs. Er no because it don't sell papers.
