England Football Team - managers job

[Fyldewhite]

BIG SAM GOES TO VILLA

Headline of the day in the Star.....his Spanish villa, obviously.

 

[freddielong]

The England manager doesnt need to be a top foreign coach all these players are trained and kept fit at their respective clubs, the couple of weeks here and there they spend with the national team isn't going to change them as a player they are not going to develop whilst away with England so to me it just needs to be someone who is a really good tactician and really good at getting their point across.

 

[sawtooth]

Not sure about that, look what he's done to Sterling in the few months that he's been at City. If the players are safe in the knowledge that they'll carry on the English way then they aren't going to do or learn any that new. With a 'Pep' style manager/management he may be able to draw something from them that an English coach couldn't or wouldn't do.

One player playing a bit like he should be playing anyway. Any new manager coming in gets a response it doesn't matter who it is.

Capello, Erickson? Weren't they top coaches?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

One player playing a bit like he should be playing anyway. Any new manager coming in gets a response it doesn't matter who it is.

Capello, Erickson? Weren't they top coaches?

And both produced better results than English managers

Do you actually expect England to win comps ? Or did they both achieve what you would expect of the England team when you consider the last 50 years results

Does anyone really expect England to win comps ?

 

[sawtooth]

And both produced better results than English managers

Do you actually expect England to win comps ? Or did they both achieve what you would expect of the England team when you consider the last 50 years results

Does anyone really expect England to win comps ?

I think the FA expect.

Point I am making is that the foreign coaches didn't make much of a difference.

I know that if they got another fantastic foreign world class manager in , that the results will much be the same as before.

Coast through qualifying and fall away in the tournament last 16, QF or if we are very lucky SF.

There's not enough English players in the PL playing week in week out, there lies part of the problem for me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think the FA expect.

Point I am making is that the foreign coaches didn't make much of a difference.

I know that if they got another fantastic foreign world class manager in , that the results will much be the same as before.

Coast through qualifying and fall away in the tournament last 16, QF or if we are very lucky SF.

There's not enough English players in the PL playing week in week out, there lies part of the problem for me.

Foreign coaches got better results than English ones - they made a difference but were hounded out by media and fans with inflated expectations

English coaches didn't even qualify for comps or didn't even get out of the groups

And as for not enough English players - look know further than your own club who were first to have a team with zero English players in it

 

[sawtooth]

Foreign coaches got better results than English ones - they made a difference but were hounded out by media and fans with inflated expectations

English coaches didn't even qualify for comps or didn't even get out of the groups

And as for not enough English players - look know further than your own club who were first to have a team with zero English players in it

Yeah Yeah I know that we don't play enough let's not make this a club argument.

The FA need to get clubs to start playing more English players it's as simple as that.

There's not enough competition for places and where are all the young English players? In the lower leagues.

 

[Fyldewhite]

And both produced better results than English managers

Do you actually expect England to win comps ? Or did they both achieve what you would expect of the England team when you consider the last 50 years results

Does anyone really expect England to win comps ?

No, but I think we are in a group who "could" win. Especially at the Euros. There's only ever one winner and lots of disappointed teams but for a team like England then it's QF minimum or it's a failure. The difference between QF and winning is often a bit of luck at the right time (we were very unlucky in 1990 and 1996) but you have to get there and the more often you get there the better chance of that bit of luck happening. We simply don't make the QF stage often enough.......and we should. Every time.

 

[Beezerk]

No, but I think we are in a group who "could" win. Especially at the Euros. There's only ever one winner and lots of disappointed teams but for a team like England then it's QF minimum or it's a failure. The difference between QF and winning is often a bit of luck at the right time (we were very unlucky in 1990 and 1996) but you have to get there and the more often you get there the better chance of that bit of luck happening. We simply don't make the QF stage often enough.......and we should. Every time.

We obviously aren't good enough to make QF's now. Only way is to get a manager who will craft the current overrated squad into a team who will work for each other and go that extra mile. Too many individuals at the minute and no understanding of how they should be playing.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

If that Portugal team could win a tournament, Greece not too far back, then England certainly can. I don't see us as being a favourite in the way Germany or Spain often are but we are capable of getting to the QF and at that point anyone can win.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Right in the sense that players are the main problem not the coaches.

You can only be as good as the players allow you to be so it may not matter a great deal to have English coaches.

So Leicester under Pearson nearly went down, the same players under Ranieri won the league.

2004 Liverpool didn't do anything under Houllier, 2005 won the champions league under Benitez.

It is a mix of both of players and manager, so no, your not right.:thup:

 

[Liverbirdie]

Whilst i agree we don't really have any top English coaches, i still don't believe a foreign coach is the way to go. We have lost our identity somewhere, we've tried to slow our play down control possession more but thats simply not our way. The majority of our players play high tempo premiership football and i think thats our best way to progress as a nation. I remember when players and the manager would be harassed for not singing the anthem passionately enough. I genuinely cant imagine that when the chios are down in a semi final that a foreign coach would get as worked up managing a different nation against his own.

I'd like someone to tell Klopp, Ferguson, Mourinho that they cant inspire a team.

Its not just an English trait.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I think the FA expect.

Point I am making is that the foreign coaches didn't make much of a difference.

I know that if they got another fantastic foreign world class manager in , that the results will much be the same as before.

Coast through qualifying and fall away in the tournament last 16, QF or if we are very lucky SF.

There's not enough English players in the PL playing week in week out, there lies part of the problem for me.

Arsenal had British coaches for over a century - who was their heyday under? (Or at least for the first 10years) - a foreign manager.

If you want an English manager, no matter, fair enough, but you cant honestly say that English managers have performed BETTER than the two foreign ones, and have mainly been worse.

 

[Liverbirdie]

And as for not enough English players - look know further than your own club who were first to have a team with zero English players in it

Actually Liverpool were in the 1986 FA cup final, although our sub was.

 

[Tongo]

I think the FA expect.

Point I am making is that the foreign coaches didn't make much of a difference.

I know that if they got another fantastic foreign world class manager in , that the results will much be the same as before.

Coast through qualifying and fall away in the tournament last 16, QF or if we are very lucky SF.

There's not enough English players in the PL playing week in week out, there lies part of the problem for me.

Yes. And those players are also those who are workhorses and do all the running around. So the English players that do play are lacking in skill and technique.

 

[sawtooth]

So Leicester under Pearson nearly went down, the same players under Ranieri won the league.

2004 Liverpool didn't do anything under Houllier, 2005 won the champions league under Benitez.

It is a mix of both of players and manager, so no, your not right.:thup:

Leicester is Leicester and Liverpool is Liverpool. This is England and the players aren't as good as we think they are. Several coaches can't all be wrong.

And you need enormous amount of luck , look at Liverpool when they won CL ;-)

 

[sawtooth]

Arsenal had British coaches for over a century - who was their heyday under? (Or at least for the first 10years) - a foreign manager.

If you want an English manager, no matter, fair enough, but you cant honestly say that English managers have performed BETTER than the two foreign ones, and have mainly been worse.

Not saying a Englishman would. be better. I'm saying that you would get more improvement if you looked at the quality of the players rather than swapping managers constantly.

BTW the clue is in the name England Team. How can it be an England team managed by a foreign manager and backroom staff?

Do they do this in Italy, Spain, Germany, France even? Not sure that they do, and you have to ask yourself why is that?

Problem is the FA not the manager IMO.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Leicester is Leicester and Liverpool is Liverpool. This is England and the players aren't as good as we think they are. Several coaches can't all be wrong.

And you need enormous amount of luck , look at Liverpool when they won CL ;-)

International football isn't totally alien compared to other football

Managers still manage their players and get the best out of them

If the manager isn't good enough then that will be reflected in the results

Get a better manager and they will always get more from the players regardless of it being international or club football

England being poor over the last three tournaments is down to poor management IMO

 

[Liverbirdie]

Leicester is Leicester and Liverpool is Liverpool. This is England and the players aren't as good as we think they are. Several coaches can't all be wrong.

And you need enormous amount of luck , look at Liverpool when they won CL ;-)

That's the biggest bail out on an argument I've ever seen. Very poor.

They are all football teams, with the main constituents being the manager and the players.

Surely, you know the value of a good manager???????

If its all about luck, Arsene must have dropped a pallet full of mirrors, whilst walking in the basement of ladders-for-us on the same side of the road as the black cattery!!!!

 

[sawtooth]

That's the biggest bail out on an argument I've ever seen. Very poor.

They are all football teams, with the main constituents being the manager and the players.

Surely, you know the value of a good manager???????

If its all about luck, Arsene must have dropped a pallet full of mirrors, whilst walking in the basement of ladders-for-us on the same side of the road as the black cattery!!!!

It's disingenuous to say that Ranieri alone made the diffierence , he bought Kante Fuchs Huth Okazaki and others. You can't do that at International level, you can't just go and magic up players.