England Football Team - managers job

NWJocko said:
So if he still believes that disabled people are paying the price for a previous incarnation of themselves that's fine then!? :rolleyes: It would be the first question at any press conference.

If he had been winning everything in sight since he lost the job I could see why some people may be willing to overlook that but he's achieved absolutely diddly squat, no idea how he's now rated so highly.

If you could tear El Tel away from a karaoke machine in Malaga why not him if that's the way of thinking?

LP has it spot on, if Hoddle is the best option England are in deep trouble.
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Well I wouldn't expect him to answer that with a yes!!

Hoddle still keeps his eye in as you can see, older and wiser - cant be a bad thing.
 
sawtooth said:
World Cup 1998, we would have won that if we got past Argentina and we should have. Beckham got sent off and the rest is history.

He is a lot older now and working in football for another 17+ years would only have made him better not worse. He has been developing his academy, working with television, etc. A part time job like England would suit him and hearing him speak last night he is obviously very passionate about doing it.

He only had 2 1/2 years last time why not give him another chance?
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Hmmmm, we would have had to play Holland and Brazil and France in that half of the draw if we came through the Argentina match..... as for Hoddle, at least it would get him off the punditry job at which he's somewhere between boring and irritating.
 
sawtooth said:
World Cup 1998, we would have won that if we got past Argentina and we should have. Beckham got sent off and the rest is history.

He is a lot older now and working in football for another 17+ years would only have made him better not worse. He has been developing his academy, working with television, etc. A part time job like England would suit him and hearing him speak last night he is obviously very passionate about doing it.

He only had 2 1/2 years last time why not give him another chance?
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Surely you're not serious ?

England couldn't even beat Romania in that comp and you seriously believe they would have gone on to beat some of the best teams seen ? Cuckoland

Working in television doesn't give someone the credentials to be a national manager , academies ?! Seriously ? And then you say "etc" ? What etc

He has been doing nothing in top level football bar a spell helping Redknapp

He also spoke very passionate about his views towards disabled people

The FA were daft enough to ignore Sams past history - they aren't going to compound that error with employing someone who holds such a disgusting view.

It's your opinion in regards Hoddle but sometimes it's fine to call an opinion a complete fantasy and this is one of those occasions

You have said nothing that suggestions he is the stand out choice or should get the job
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Surely you're not serious ?

England couldn't even beat Romania in that comp and you seriously believe they would have gone on to beat some of the best teams seen ? Cuckoland

Working in television doesn't give someone the credentials to be a national manager , academies ?! Seriously ? And then you say "etc" ? What etc

He has been doing nothing in top level football bar a spell helping Redknapp

He also spoke very passionate about his views towards disabled people

The FA were daft enough to ignore Sams past history - they aren't going to compound that error with employing someone who holds such a disgusting view.

It's your opinion in regards Hoddle but sometimes it's fine to call an opinion a complete fantasy and this is one of those occasions

You have said nothing that suggestions he is the stand out choice or should get the job
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It's my opinion yes and I stick to choosing Hoddle over Southgate, Bruce and Pardew.

If you had to choose an Englishman who would it be?
 
Tongo said:
So a £3 million a year contract and the doubtless handsome contracts he's had at other clubs isn't enough?

Anyone that is in and around the PL from a playing or managing point of view shouldn't be short of cash.

He is employed by the FA and he suggested a way to circumvent the FA's rules. So he's paid the price. Maybe he should have had more respect for his employers. Maybe spending too long in the greed is good PL has drummed that out of players and managers.
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My point is that despite his wealth - and even before, and now without, the England job he is very wealthy - if you start with nothing there could be a fear that things could turn full circle and you could lose the lot or most of it. So whilst the going is good your basic instinct is to take every opportunity to acquire and so to protect yourself against that possibility.

I am just trying to understand why such as he might do what appears to be a very daft thing - I don't really believe it is simple base avarice.
 
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sawtooth said:
Why not? Argies were highly fancied and we were the better side, we should have got past them. I would have fancied Englands chances after that definitely.
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But we didn't get past them, which suggests we weren't good enough. Its a results based business, and that includes doing ALL the right things, which that team didn't do.

As for its 18 years since his indiscretion. I'd totally forgot about it till the media started bringing it up in the last 24 hours. Its not forgotten, obviously, and the media would crucify him and the FA. And then there's the media at every away game...

Can you imagine the reception he'd get, the headlines in those countries. England would be lambasted for employing someone with those beliefs - aka Trump.
 
I'm beginning to think that England don't actually need a full-time manager. So give it to either Pep or Jose and just have a network of coaches - Neville, Shearer, Southgate, Hoddle - working under them and advising on who to pick.
 
I have to say, I am not sorry to see the back of Sam, I dont like his style of play, his first outing, although we won, very luckily, was awful to watch, I dont think he brought anything new to the table, and had he stayed in charge, I would have been expecting another terrible performance at the world cup, should we qualify. It wasnt a great appointment at the time in my opinion.
Having seen the statement of 'entrapment won' in his interview is beggers belief for me also, if he hadnt been offering to defraud the system, then it wouldnt have won!! Greedy silly man!! I hope he doesnt get another job in football.
 
The cynic in me wonders whether this was all totally down to the Telegraph article. They appoint Big Sam, the first performance is poor, the players picked are largely the same, nothing was changing and the press were turning on the team after only one match which is pretty much unheard of. Suddenly the FA have a fit of conscience and become decisive over an incident which you could see them taking weeks to investigate and they sack a manager a week before the next world cup qualifier. Part of me thinks they realised that they had picked the wrong man and lady luck dealt them a hand too good not to play.
 
If you were responsible for selecting the next England man who would it be? name 2 , top Englishman and top foreign manager.

Put club prejudice aside, just choose the best man for the job regardless.

Hoddle and Wenger
 
sawtooth said:
If you were responsible for selecting the next England man who would it be? name 2 , top Englishman and top foreign manager.

Put club prejudice aside, just choose the best man for the job regardless.

Hoddle and Wenger
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:rofl:

Going on realistic choices

English - Pardew I think would be the best bet

Foreign - Hiddink or Klinnsman
 
Shame on Sam for what he has done pure greed and as I understand it there are more revelations to come regarding other managers and it wouldn't surprise me to see some of the managers mentioned for the job involved.

Imo there is not one English manager good enough for the position but I suspect an English one will be appointed,if so I hope he starts getting rid of the dead wood and give some new blood a chance and just make England more entertaining to watch.

Sam would have been more of the same as others have said,however I do believe his passion for managing England would have rubbed off on some players and some better performances would have come but then as the Euro's and World cup came once again we would have fallen short.
 
As there's such a dearth of top quality candidates I'd probably go with Bruce in the short term, with Neville and Shearer on the staff. If the players won't play for some of the most decorated players of the modern English era, then it won't much matter who you appoint as the players aren't mentally strong enough to compete at the highest level.
 
sawtooth said:
If you were responsible for selecting the next England man who would it be? name 2 , top Englishman and top foreign manager.

Put club prejudice aside, just choose the best man for the job regardless.

Hoddle and Wenger
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How on earth can you possibly expext us to take club loyalty out of it when you choose wenger.

I'd go pardew. I want an Englishmen in charge so I won't bother listed who I'd prefer, but Klopp, Pep, Jose, Simione, Koeman, Enrique are just a few that any club would take over Arsene in the future imo
 
A quick fix will be found to solve the crisis and will be feted as 'an excellent long term solution, designed to instill good footballing values in this latest talented generation' (insert corporate speak as required) but the inherent problems won't change one bit. Crap administration at the top level, decades old culture from the footballing dark ages, lack of leadership, club vs country mismatch and by far the worst - no appetite for change just keeping sponsors happy. The whole thing stinks and will continue to do so for a generation at the current rate.

I like footie as a game and hate to see what's happened to it. It's a damned shame.

What would I do?

1. Clear out the current administrators and replace with competent folks who are willing to learn from successful authorities (e.g. Germany, France - neither are perfect, but...)

2. Find a transparent and achievable way to service the insane costs of Wembley

With these in place, it's then worth pursuing an experienced manager with high quality professional values who knows our league (Wenger?) to develop a long term plan involving succession to a younger alternative(s) as a priority. With good leadership, the players will follow and all the other minor problems (coaching, under 21 transition) can be tackled. Allow 5 years to affect any decent change.
 
sawtooth said:
If you were responsible for selecting the next England man who would it be? name 2 , top Englishman and top foreign manager.

Put club prejudice aside, just choose the best man for the job regardless.

Hoddle and Wenger
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Brilliant, Post of the year :rofl:
 
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