England Football Team - managers job

[sawtooth]

What's with the love-fest for Hoddle? Apart from a bit of punditry he's got no recent experience of managing a team. A good pundit doesn't make a good manager, e.g. Neville and Shearer.

Some of the arguments earlier in the thread revolved around exposure to European football. That's another no for Hoddle.

As to his comments about the disabled. It shows an attitude of mind and a lack of judgement. No, no, and thrice no.

We played some good stuff under him before and didn't really have the chance to finish what he had started. His fault I know but that was nearly 20 years ago and you get less than that for murder so he deserves another chance.

Players will certainly respect him , even try hard to impress him, I think that is what you get when you are managed by a ex-player who was as good as he was.

For me it has to be an Englishman and he is currently the stand out candidate.

 

[Kellfire]

If the stand out candidate is a fella who doesn't have any recent managerial experience then I predict the same old for England if he's appointed.

 

[Hobbit]

We played some good stuff under him before and didn't really have the chance to finish what he had started. His fault I know but that was nearly 20 years ago and you get less than that for murder so he deserves another chance.

Players will certainly respect him , even try hard to impress him, I think that is what you get when you are managed by a ex-player who was as good as he was.

For me it has to be an Englishman and he is currently the stand out candidate.

And he had far better players to pick from. But a "stand out candidate." Why? He's another yesterday man that talks a good job. If he was good enough he'd have had the opportunity to impress after leaving the England job. He managed Southampton, Spurs and Wolves after the England job. Very decent clubs at that time, and did diddly squat.

Good footballer; absolutely yes, like so many other managerial failures.
Respected by the then England squad; no, he was a joke amongst the players.

He wouldn't come in with a clean slate, and the media would have a field day over his history. Lets be honest, the media are like a rabid pack of hyenas. They would hound him, and to expect otherwise is naïve.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I haven't gone through all of the recent posts but I'm another one baffled by the calls for Hoddle. If he is so good why has no PL club brought him on board? He hasn't been involved at a club for years. Why?

Let's say the FA appoint him. He will be asked constantly the same question that tripped him up all those years ago. Too embarrassing for the FA. They appointed Sam with all of his skeletons and faults, they surely wont make the same mistake again with Hoddle.

If Southgate does well I suspect he will get the job. If not I'm another one for Hiddink. No easy answer at the moment.

 

[pbrown7582]

I'm certain Sam will be back in football before Xmas , not much of a punishment losing a job in football then getting another one in the most profile league.

back at sunderland?

 

[freddielong]

I haven't gone through all of the recent posts but I'm another one baffled by the calls for Hoddle. If he is so good why has no PL club brought him on board? He hasn't been involved at a club for years. Why?

Let's say the FA appoint him. He will be asked constantly the same question that tripped him up all those years ago. Too embarrassing for the FA. They appointed Sam with all of his skeletons and faults, they surely wont make the same mistake again with Hoddle.

If Southgate does well I suspect he will get the job. If not I'm another one for Hiddink. No easy answer at the moment.

100 % agreed

 

[Lord Tyrion]

back at sunderland?

They would have him. You may also find Stoke in need of a manger shortly. West Ham as well but I can't see him being re-appointed there. He will not be out of the game for long, he is a fire fighter and chairmen will be aware he is available.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We played some good stuff under him before and didn't really have the chance to finish what he had started. His fault I know but that was nearly 20 years ago and you get less than that for murder so he deserves another chance.

Players will certainly respect him , even try hard to impress him, I think that is what you get when you are managed by a ex-player who was as good as he was.

For me it has to be an Englishman and he is currently the stand out candidate.

Do you remember a different Hoddle to me ?

They battled through qualification for WC1998 - he then ignored prob the most in form young player in Europe at the time , blew it against Romania so they then had to face Argentina and then obviously got knocked out , then started the qualifying for the Euros poorly by losing to Sweden and drawing with Bulgaria and just about getting a second place to go to a playoff.

His managerial career isn't exactly littered with glowing highlights beyond getting Swindon into the Prem . After England and his disgusting comments he then had three further chances at decent clubs and was poor in each club.

Why would players respect him or try hard for him over previous managers ? Especially when he publically states his disgusting views like he did

And only have to listen to his commentary to see that he is very far removed from modern football

If he is the "stand out" candidate then the problem for England is bigger than people realise.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I have some sympathy for the guy - I have little sympathy for his desire to do something simple for a load of dosh he didn't really need. But when you start poor as he did perhaps the fear of losing it all is in him deep - and so he instinctively grabs any opportunity to create a more secure life.

The reporters created a non-existent business opportunity - he was entrapped. His greed caused him to big up what he could deliver in 'keynote speeches'. So for instance we have no idea if he actually ever would have advised how to get round the 3rd party player ownership rules. He was undone by his own hubris - bit like most England footballers. But is hubris a crime?

If he was in breach of contract and so what he did was bad enough to lose his job - how was what he did not bad enough to lose his payoff?

 

[pendodave]

If he is the "stand out" candidate then the problem for England is bigger than people realise.

The problem with English football (as opposed to the EPL) is indeed massive. It has been rotting away for years, kept afloat with the wealth of croesus and imported foreign talent. Failure to seek out, train and promote the local population requires a bit too much effort. Sounds like the rest of the country really....

 

[Lord Tyrion]

From reports he has been given a token payoff. Pretty large but not the full whack of his contract which is what usually happens in football. Save going to court for both parties. It allowed the split to happen quickly which was important for the FA. He trousers money still and will be in a new job earning millions again within a month or two. No doubt his football mates will slap his back and sympathise with him still.

 

[Hobbit]

The problem with English football (as opposed to the EPL) is indeed massive. It has been rotting away for years, kept afloat with the wealth of croesus and imported foreign talent. Failure to seek out, train and promote the local population requires a bit too much effort. Sounds like the rest of the country really....

England cricket went through a similar problem with many counties having opening batsman or bowlers, or both, from other countries. There's a dearth of talent for any England manager to choose from...

 

[sawtooth]

And he had far better players to pick from. But a "stand out candidate." Why? He's another yesterday man that talks a good job. If he was good enough he'd have had the opportunity to impress after leaving the England job. He managed Southampton, Spurs and Wolves after the England job. Very decent clubs at that time, and did diddly squat.

Good footballer; absolutely yes, like so many other managerial failures.
Respected by the then England squad; no, he was a joke amongst the players.

He wouldn't come in with a clean slate, and the media would have a field day over his history. Lets be honest, the media are like a rabid pack of hyenas. They would hound him, and to expect otherwise is naïve.

Not true. That's old news and he paid the price and he's probably squeaky clean apart from that.

I personally would give him a contract until 2018 and prefer that to a foreign manager coming in.

Stand out candidate yes amongst the rest of the English managerson the bookies list.

 

[Hobbit]

Not true. That's old news and he paid the price and he's probably squeaky clean apart from that.

I personally would give him a contract until 2018 and prefer that to a foreign manager coming in.

Stand out candidate yes amongst the rest of the English managerson the bookies list.

"Not true," in your opinion. I'd sooner give it to Pardew, Howe or Bruce long before I'd consider Hoddle. But hey, why don't we pick and England manager from 30 years ago if we're going to talk about has-beens - maybe Hodgson...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not true. That's old news and he paid the price and he's probably squeaky clean apart from that.

I personally would give him a contract until 2018 and prefer that to a foreign manager coming in.

Stand out candidate yes amongst the rest of the English managerson the bookies list.

You can't just ignore what was said - the press won't ignore especially when it was so disgusting - why exactly do you believe he is the "stand out" when you look at his record ? And the fact he hasn't managed at the highest level for over a decade now and it was 17 years ago that he was England manager ?

 

[NWJocko]

Not true. That's old news and he paid the price and he's probably squeaky clean apart from that.

I personally would give him a contract until 2018 and prefer that to a foreign manager coming in.

Stand out candidate yes amongst the rest of the English managerson the bookies list.

So if he still believes that disabled people are paying the price for a previous incarnation of themselves that's fine then!? It would be the first question at any press conference.

If he had been winning everything in sight since he lost the job I could see why some people may be willing to overlook that but he's achieved absolutely diddly squat, no idea how he's now rated so highly.

If you could tear El Tel away from a karaoke machine in Malaga why not him if that's the way of thinking?

LP has it spot on, if Hoddle is the best option England are in deep trouble.

 

[Papas1982]

Just seen Sams interview outside his house.

Whether he he was the right man or not, stupid, naive or not. He does at least look genuinely gutted.

 

[sawtooth]

You can't just ignore what was said - the press won't ignore especially when it was so disgusting - why exactly do you believe he is the "stand out" when you look at his record ? And the fact he hasn't managed at the highest level for over a decade now and it was 17 years ago that he was England manager ?

World Cup 1998, we would have won that if we got past Argentina and we should have. Beckham got sent off and the rest is history.

He is a lot older now and working in football for another 17+ years would only have made him better not worse. He has been developing his academy, working with television, etc. A part time job like England would suit him and hearing him speak last night he is obviously very passionate about doing it.

He only had 2 1/2 years last time why not give him another chance?

 

[Tongo]

I have some sympathy for the guy - I have little sympathy for his desire to do something simple for a load of dosh he didn't really need. But when you start poor as he did perhaps the fear of losing it all is in him deep - and so he instinctively grabs any opportunity to create a more secure life.

The reporters created a non-existent business opportunity - he was entrapped. His greed caused him to big up what he could deliver in 'keynote speeches'. So for instance we have no idea if he actually ever would have advised how to get round the 3rd party player ownership rules. He was undone by his own hubris - bit like most England footballers. But is hubris a crime?

If he was in breach of contract and so what he did was bad enough to lose his job - how was what he did not bad enough to lose his payoff?

So a £3 million a year contract and the doubtless handsome contracts he's had at other clubs isn't enough?

Anyone that is in and around the PL from a playing or managing point of view shouldn't be short of cash.

He is employed by the FA and he suggested a way to circumvent the FA's rules. So he's paid the price. Maybe he should have had more respect for his employers. Maybe spending too long in the greed is good PL has drummed that out of players and managers.

 

[NWJocko]

World Cup 1998, we would have won that if we got past Argentina and we should have. Beckham got sent off and the rest is history.

He is a lot older now and working in football for another 17+ years would only have made him better not worse. He has been developing his academy, working with television, etc. A part time job like England would suit him and hearing him speak last night he is obviously very passionate about doing it.

He only had 2 1/2 years last time why not give him another chance?

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Aye, beating Holland, then Brazil, then France would have been a doddle right enough

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