EGU Says Relax Dress Codes and Allow Mobile Phones

[Deleted member 18588]

if its good enough for Tiger

The very last person who I would view as an arbiter of acceptable behaviour on (or off) a golf-course. Unless hawking and spitting together with constant expletives are now approved.

 

[duncan mackie]

Quite. We all know that clubs have no issues with players carrying their phones on the course - in their bag and on silent or switched off - but I would not expect someone to be checking it all the time. Compared with some things we get heated about this should be simple. Mobile phones may not be used on the golf course. However you can ask your PPs before playing if you can check your phone occasionally as you are expecting some important personal, or indeed business (we live in a global 24x7 business world), news. However I don't think I would expect this news if it came to result in my PP subsequently spending significant time on his phone.

I play with a GP who is often on emergency call on Saturdays and Sundays in the event of serious road accidents. If he did not play when he was on call we'd rarely see him at weekends. He always tells us before we tee off if he is on call. In 10 yrs I can count on one hand the number of times he has had to take a call when I have been a PP of his. This is totally acceptable - and indeed I would suggest it would actually be unacceptable for the club to prevent this sort of mobile phone use.

another excellent rational summary of the current reality :thup:

 

[garyinderry]

this all nonsense, there is no long standing anti-mobile golfing history as mobiles themselves don't have that much of a history. I've played with many people who makes calls and will admit myself to making some discrete calls when on the course. I don't shout, I don't do it when people are putting, I usually do it as I wander alone towards my ball on some far off the beaten track part of the course. I don't take all day, I don't slow up play.

Many many times, I've checked football scores for my own benefit and others in my various groups. again no one complains, only if their team is losing! I've been on the course during majors and checked to see how the players are getting on.

I've stood yards from Rory Mcilory as he checked his mobile on the tee whilst having a short wait at the Irish open. again no one batted an eyelid.

If this bothers you then you needed to loosen up those shoulders, take a deep breath and relax, lifes too short! :thup:

 

[scottie77]

I beleive that one of the key elements that attracted me to golf is the etequitte and need to maintain a certain standard and decoraum. How many sports are largley self regulated ???

However I play with 2 pals and we are often the only 3 on the course. If there is a need to take a call ( as long as it is on silent and not between shots ) then I think that it ok. In terms of dress sense, I would argue that if th clothing labels are producing collarless shirts and tops ( I'm pretty sure I've seen Tiger wearing something not quite the to tradition ) then it should be ok. NEVER jeans though

We live in a mordern world

 

[ger147]

Taking both my iPad and my Mobile Phone with me tonight to my 1st committee meeting, I just hope my wife has ironed my jeans.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Huh? I'm insulting them how? Or maybe you're insulting our collective intelligence? Have you ever stopped to consider that you may be insulting others by using a phone on a golf course? Of course you haven't - you're still too busy wrapped up in your bubble of self importance to notice. If however you leave your phone n the car, you completely remove that element of doubt. But I can see that you don't get it.

Someone having a mobile phone managed to help save a FC life last year - his FC was happy he was ignorant enough to have a mobile with him.

All the people I play with pretty much have their mobiles with them and all are on silent and have caused no issue at all when they have been looked at or used.

 

[GB72]

I think the first thing that has sprung to mind about this thread is that I am not a child so don't treat me like one. The suggestion that a club has to ban my phone and tell me what to wear because I cannot be trusted to act appropriately is bordering on insulting. Believe it or not I go through many different situations in life and in most of them I have managed to work out what is appropriate to wear and when it is appropriate to use my phone without the need for a list of rules or a diagram

All I would like is for my club to give these things a try, see what happens or at least open up some debate. I know that there is the AGM every year but is that really enough for such topics as this. I have never seen it happen but have any clubs considered quarterly debates where one or 2 big issues can be discussed outside of the packed agenda of the AGM. Anything that gets a positive response on the night could then be put forward into a proposition to be voted on.

It is not so much the decisions and rules that clubs have in place that is the issue to me, it is more that fact that I am not really sure that my club knows how people feel on these points. If the majority want the status quo then so be it but I feel that there is a large section than they think who would be happy to see some small changes that would improve the club for everyone.

 

[chellie]

Mobiles on silent are allowed on our course for use for emergencies. HID helped perform CPR last year on a member whilst waiting for the air ambulance to arrive. Sadly it wasn't successful

 

[triple_bogey]

Irrespective of the golf course/clubhouse I would consider anyone overusing a mobile in my social company uneducated with poor social skills.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: soz m8...........

I've stopped playing with strangers completely. For the fear of playing with dinosaurs with such draconian views.

Last time I did, I walked off after the 4th hole. Guy was moaning about this and that before we hit the 1st. Last straw was when a passer-by on his phone (on a public path that runs along the course) put him off his swing. He goes on to lecture the guy. Just told him straight up, I didn't fancy sticking around 4-5 hours listening to his BS, thanked the other two and was on my way. Life's too short.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

:rofl::rofl::rofl: soz m8...........

I've stopped playing with strangers completely. For the fear of playing with dinosaurs with such draconian views.

Last time I did, I walked off after the 4th hole. Guy was moaning about this and that before we hit the 1st. Last straw was when a passer-by on his phone (on a public path that runs along the course) put him off his swing. He goes on to lecture the guy. Just told him straight up, I didn't fancy sticking around 4-5 hours listening to his BS, thanked the other two and was on my way. Life's too short.

Actually, I agree with DfT on this one and your post misses the point he was making. If you're socialising with someone, be it on a golf course or in a pub, it is very rude to spend too much time talking to someone else on your phone. If you have to take the odd call then fine, but IMvHO you should deal with it quickly if you have to answer it at all and call them back later if you need to. Either that, or just go and be with the guy on the phone as it's clear you would rather be there than where you are. It's basic manners.

 

[triple_bogey]

This is where I differ. I would never stereotype anyone just because they spend that extra few minutes on a phone without getting to know them properly. I have no right to do that. I have my other FC to converse with.
Obviously many are just quick to judge others without knowing the true circumstances. What does that really say about them?

Here a thought if why your FC is always on their phones. Would it be that they just find you extremely boring or otherwise? :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why are people being judge because of their conduct with a mobile phone ?

Maybe they were using it for a very valid reason

Reading through the thread highlights a lot of problems still alive and kicking in golf

 

[HawkeyeMS]

This is where I differ. I would never stereotype anyone just because they spend that extra few minutes on a phone without getting to know them properly. I have no right to do that. I have my other FC to converse with.
Obviously many are just quick to judge others without knowing the true circumstances. What does that really say about them?

Here a thought if why your FC is always on their phones. Would it be that they just find you extremely boring or otherwise? :rofl:

It's not stereotyping and yet again you're missing the point. A few minutes then fine. What DfT said was "overuse" and what I am saying is that if you are in someone's company, it is polite not to spend all your time talking to someone else on your phone. Like I said, it's basic manners, I'm sure if you thought about it you'd know what I mean.

 

[triple_bogey]

It's not stereotyping and yet again you're missing the point. A few minutes then fine. What DfT said was "overuse" and what I am saying is that if you are in someone's company, it is polite not to spend all your time talking to someone else on your phone. Like I said, it's basic manners, I'm sure if you thought about it you'd know what I mean.

Overuse of a mobile, that person is uneducated is not stereotyping from the off? And of all my years playing, I have never experienced a FC to exceed more than 10 mins in the whole period of 18 holes. Maybe DfT has, I have no idea.
And Ive mentioned it before, I couldn't care less if one decides to chat on his phone. I'm not uptight like that. I play golf purely as fun and a release from a busy week of work. I'm not there to win a Major.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Actually, I agree with DfT on this one and your post misses the point he was making. If you're socialising with someone, be it on a golf course or in a pub, it is very rude to spend too much time talking to someone else on your phone. If you have to take the odd call then fine, but IMvHO you should deal with it quickly if you have to answer it at all and call them back later if you need to. Either that, or just go and be with the guy on the phone as it's clear you would rather be there than where you are. It's basic manners.

uh oh - agreeing again.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Overuse of a mobile, that person is uneducated is not stereotyping from the off? And of all my years playing, I have never experienced a FC to exceed more than 10 mins in the whole period of 18 holes. Maybe DfT has, I have no idea.
And Ive mentioned it before, I couldn't care less if one decides to chat on his phone. I'm not uptight like that. I play golf purely as fun and a release from a busy week of work. I'm not there to win a Major.

Once again, you're missing the general point. I give up.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

How difficult is this?

If I was in a business meeting I would not be sitting there in my jeans and a tee shirt - why? - simple because my company expects me to wear at least a jacket and smart trousers. And I would have my phone on silent. If I was called would I answer it in the meeting and commence a conversation? No - I would excuse myself if it was essential and leave the room to continue it,. I might well also advise those in the meeting that I was expecting a call and might have to excuse myself if it came through. The 'dress' bit is simply me following a dress code set by my company - I may not think it necessary but I adhere to it - it is no big deal. The second is simply courtesy and good manners - and an understood convention for many if not most business meetings.

Now of course those wishing their own way with mobile phones will hasten to highlight the differences between the above and golf rather than just accept and concede the similarities. A dress code and manners.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Damn.. I've just noticed that HK has responded in a much wittier way than I did... Damn you HK, you Guardian reading, professionally insulted, Left Wing Yoghurt Knitter.....

Only one of those statements is actually true

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Overuse of a mobile, that person is uneducated is not stereotyping from the off? And of all my years playing, I have never experienced a FC to exceed more than 10 mins in the whole period of 18 holes. Maybe DfT has, I have no idea.
And Ive mentioned it before, I couldn't care less if one decides to chat on his phone. I'm not uptight like that. I play golf purely as fun and a release from a busy week of work. I'm not there to win a Major.

I have no problem with folk using mobile phones in my company even on the golf course.
Overuse and content are the key, that boils down to good manners and respect.

A ten minute mobile conversation by a FC in a medal about last nights fitba would not go down well with me.
I would try my best to avoid that person in the future.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How difficult is this?

If I was in a business meeting I would not be sitting there in my jeans and a tee shirt - why? - simple because my company expects me to wear at least a jacket and smart trousers. And I would have my phone on silent. If I was called would I answer it in the meeting and commence a conversation? No - I would excuse myself if it was essential and leave the room to continue it,. I might well also advise those in the meeting that I was expecting a call and might have to excuse myself if it came through. The 'dress' bit is simply me following a dress code set by my company - I may not think it necessary but I adhere to it - it is no big deal. The second is simply courtesy and good manners - and an understood convention for many if not most business meetings.

Now of course those wishing their own way with mobile phones will hasten to highlight the differences between the above and golf rather than just accept and concede the similarities. A dress code and manners.

Playing golf is not like being in a business meeting - and using a mobile can be done in conjunction with good manners