EGU Says Relax Dress Codes and Allow Mobile Phones

[GB72]

It is clear that people want different things from their golf club when it comes to all of these points. Perhaps the problem is that there is simply not the choice that people want and that leads to frustration and people drifting from the game. Near me I have 2 choices, private members club with all the associated rules and regulations or soulless hotel course with none. Where is the happy medium that I am looking for.

 

[bluewolf]

It is clear that people want different things from their golf club when it comes to all of these points. Perhaps the problem is that there is simply not the choice that people want and that leads to frustration and people drifting from the game. Near me I have 2 choices, private members club with all the associated rules and regulations or soulless hotel course with none. Where is the happy medium that I am looking for.

It's oop North mate. I've just moved club this year, and one of the reasons was a much more relaxed attitude within the club itself. My old club was "traditional". There were many rules, all of which I abided by (of course ), but some seemed designed to discourage the "wrong sort". The new club allows jeans and mobile phones in the clubhouse (no trainers though). The general attitude appears Inclusive rather than Exclusive. The bar area is busier and the restaurant upstairs is thriving (and not just with golfers).
I have no particular issue with the old club, but it didn't suit me at the end of the day...

 

[woody69]

Introducing something that enables or encourages activity by one player that could detract from the enjoyment of another is regressive.

Lets just agree to disagree on what we consider a regressive or progressive step when it comes to the rules and mobile phones.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Lets just agree to disagree on what we consider a regressive or progressive step when it comes to the rules and mobile phones.

So you think that using something that is actually not essential (it's not), and that might upset or distract others is just OK. And that any who might be upset, may be distracted or indeed may find their use discourteous - well that's just tough - and they should just put up with it because you want it so? And so to hell in a handcart we go. And that's not regressive?

 

[stevie_r]

Haha

Nah, more likely the fashion police

 

[bluewolf]

So you think that using something that is actually not essential (it's not), and that might upset or distract others is just OK. And that any who might be upset, may be distracted or indeed may find their use discourteous - well that's just tough - and they should just put up with it because you want it so? And so to hell in a handcart we go. And that's not regressive?

But, the carrying of a phone on the course should be covered by manners/etiquette etc. Just because something COULD be distracting or discourteous doesn't mean it should be banned. Deal with the ignorance of the person at fault rather than the item itself..

 

[standrew]

Nah, more likely the fashion police

Because i wear shorts below the knee when its warm? Seriously get a life mate.

 

[stevie_r]

Because i wear shorts below the knee when its warm? Seriously get a life mate.

Now now, you said half-way down the calf

 

[woody69]

So you think that using something that is actually not essential (it's not), and that might upset or distract others is just OK. And that any who might be upset, may be distracted or indeed may find their use discourteous - well that's just tough - and they should just put up with it because you want it so? And so to hell in a handcart we go. And that's not regressive?

There are many things in life and in golf that may upset or distract a player if used irresponsibly. I'm not advocating people walking along chatting loudly to their mates on the phone whilst playing. I'm quite capable (as are most) are being discreet and courteous to others whilst I send a text. I've never taken a phone call whilst on the course and most likely never would. You also say they aren't essential and I can agree with that sentiment, but they can still provide an essential service. Say you are miles from the club house and your playing partner suffers a heart attack or serious injury. Having a phone on the course and not left in the locker can save lives. Quite extreme but a valid scenario.

So no, moving with the times to allow a gadget on the course providing they are used in a responsible manner is not regressive. It's progressive, but thanks for agreeing to disagree.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

But, the carrying of a phone on the course should be covered by manners/etiquette etc. Just because something COULD be distracting or discourteous doesn't mean it should be banned. Deal with the ignorance of the person at fault rather than the item itself..

Or just don't create the opportunity. I don't mind on the 1st tee being asked by a PP/FC if they can have their mobile phone on or if they can check it occasionally because [insert important personal reason here] - and I will always say OK. That is how it should be done - by exception and as requested of PPs out of courtesy to them. Simple.

 

[standrew]

There are many things in life and in golf that may upset or distract a player if used irresponsibly. I'm not advocating people walking along chatting loudly to their mates on the phone whilst playing. I'm quite capable (as are most) are being discreet and courteous to others whilst I send a text. I've never taken a phone call whilst on the course and most likely never would. You also say they aren't essential and I can agree with that sentiment, but they can still provide an essential service. Say you are miles from the club house and your playing partner suffers a heart attack or serious injury. Having a phone on the course and not left in the locker can save lives. Quite extreme but a valid scenario.

So no, moving with the times to allow a gadget on the course providing they are used in a responsible manner is not regressive. It's progressive, but thanks for agreeing to disagree.

Fair point, its probably not that extreme a scenario.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There are many things in life and in golf that may upset or distract a player if used irresponsibly. I'm not advocating people walking along chatting loudly to their mates on the phone whilst playing. I'm quite capable (as are most) are being discreet and courteous to others whilst I send a text. I've never taken a phone call whilst on the course and most likely never would. You also say they aren't essential and I can agree with that sentiment, but they can still provide an essential service. Say you are miles from the club house and your playing partner suffers a heart attack or serious injury. Having a phone on the course and not left in the locker can save lives. Quite extreme but a valid scenario.

So no, moving with the times to allow a gadget on the course providing they are used in a responsible manner is not regressive. It's progressive, but thanks for agreeing to disagree.

i9n fact your scenario is not actually that extreme when considered UK-wide. Just don't give a carte blanche OK to use a mobile phone on the course.

 

[bluewolf]

Or just don't create the opportunity. I don't mind on the 1st tee being asked by a PP/FC if they can have their mobile phone on or if they can check it occasionally because [insert important personal reason here] - and I will always say OK. That is how it should be done - by exception and as requested of PPs out of courtesy to them. Simple.

But where does that line finish? Do we ban everything that could possibly be distracting or discourteous? I'm particularly averse to noisy eaters. Especially when they're eating things like crisps or apples.. Can I have them banned? Of course not.. Banning phones because of the possible actions of a few rude people seems draconian to me.. But that's just my opinion and you are obviously entitled to yours... (he says whilst quietly walking away before we have another HNSP thread..)

 

[standrew]

But where does that line finish? Do we ban everything that could possibly be distracting or discourteous? I'm particularly averse to noisy eaters. Especially when they're eating things like crisps or apples.. Can I have them banned? D)

Bacon rolls are relatively less noisy to eat.

 

[stevie_r]

Or just don't create the opportunity. I don't mind on the 1st tee being asked by a PP/FC if they can have their mobile phone on or if they can check it occasionally because [insert important personal reason here] - and I will always say OK. That is how it should be done - by exception and as requested of PPs out of courtesy to them. Simple.

I'm surprised that given your club have conducted in depth risk assessments, and given that we have numerous examples of mobile phones having potentially saved lives on the course, that your club don't stipulate that each group must have a mobile with them.

 

[Hacker Khan]

So you think that using something that is actually not essential (it's not), and that might upset or distract others is just OK. And that any who might be upset, may be distracted or indeed may find their use discourteous - well that's just tough - and they should just put up with it because you want it so? And so to hell in a handcart we go. And that's not regressive?

Serious question, would you want to ban anyone from taking a phone into the cinema? Or to a restaurant?

 

[bluewolf]

Serious question, would you want to ban anyone from taking a phone into the cinema? Or to a restaurant?

I'd definately ban noisy eaters from both those environments... It is actually a recognised medical condition though - Misophonia.

 

[duncan mackie]

... they can still provide an essential service. Say you are miles from the club house and your playing partner suffers a heart attack or serious injury. Having a phone on the course and not left in the locker can save lives. Quite extreme but a valid scenario.

So no, moving with the times to allow a gadget on the course providing they are used in a responsible manner is not regressive. It's progressive, but thanks for agreeing to disagree.

this is a great example of where such threads 'come together'

the EGU's comment, and as I understand it the vast majority of the 'we want to use our 'phones' has/have nothing to do with such situations as you have presented.

equally, whilst from other posts here it's certain that were you to be using your mobile to summon an air ambulance, or be talked through CPR by an expert, someone, somewhere, would be screaming across 2 fairways for you to switch it off 'cos it's 'banned'!

many want to be able to continue their busy lives whilst walking the fairways, or whilst waiting to putt. some others simply don't feel this can be unobtrusive - many after trial periods (cross over with progressive /regressive)

 

[beau d.]

If this is all the EGU can come up with to address the decline we are in real Trouble!!!!! Mobiles, nope not for me, carry them on silent for an emergency, okay. Texting and phoning, sorry bad manners and annoying, can't people switch off and focus on the game for a few hours, might ever shoot lower if they did

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Serious question, would you want to ban anyone from taking a phone into the cinema? Or to a restaurant?

Definitely!

Having, on numerous occasions, had the misfortune to overhear any number of intrusive phone calls I have yet to hear one that could not have waited for a more appropriate time.

Do the mobile phone addicts really believe that their lives are so important that it is OK to impose their activities upon the rest of society.