hamshanker
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Drop from tree-is it or isnt it under driver length??
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Colin L
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:thup:
hamshanker
Challenge Tour Pro
yeh,fair enough answer,suppose its 1 of those LR that only the committee of the club can answer as its not set in stone in rule book,
but some hard members on here that wont give ya anything
but thx for all replies cheers:thup:
Colin L
Tour Winner
There may be ways of getting a more favourable answer :cheers:
MadAdey
Money List Winner
I would let you have relief. If you get a bit of a good break then fair enough, this game is full of enough bad luck....:thup:
The rule says any tree less than the height of your driver to protect young trees. Was the tree less than the height of your driver? Then you get relief.
The rule says any tree less than the height of your driver to protect young trees. Was the tree less than the height of your driver? Then you get relief.
chrisd
Major Champion
Colin L
Tour Winner
Nah. My blown over tree is still attached to the ground by its roots. Your :ears: and raise you :ears::ears::ears:
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
My tuppence worth is it states height not lenght of the tree , id say stand your driver up verticaly beside the tree , if is higher than the tree , free drop if its not then no , let the local rule writer ammend his wording if there is a problem with that...
DaveM
Tour Winner
+1..
DCB
Well-known member
So, your driver gets held up straight to assist in the measure, but the thing you are measuring against is left lying at an angle........
It's an example of a badly worded LR in conjunction with some poor greenkeeping IMO.
It's an example of a badly worded LR in conjunction with some poor greenkeeping IMO.
hamshanker
Challenge Tour Pro
Would you not see it as having a bit of good fortune of a rule going ur way for a change????
ive had this happen to me and seen it happen to others,been obstructed from a tree that that is fairly new but no stake connected to it and no LR so no free drop,and in same round some1 else has been obstructed from a tree that is (15 foot for eg)and has been there for 10 yrs or so but still has original stake connected and gets a drop,swings n roundabouts i think,
ive had this happen to me and seen it happen to others,been obstructed from a tree that that is fairly new but no stake connected to it and no LR so no free drop,and in same round some1 else has been obstructed from a tree that is (15 foot for eg)and has been there for 10 yrs or so but still has original stake connected and gets a drop,swings n roundabouts i think,
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
Badly worded & bad greenkeeping is 100% correct DCB but that is not to the players discrssion ,So, your driver gets held up straight to assist in the measure, but the thing you are measuring against is left lying at an angle........
It's an example of a badly worded LR in conjunction with some poor greenkeeping IMO.
i am not measuring the tree im measuring the height of the tree .. to me that is from the ground to its highest point .. that would be my interpetation of height anyhow..
MadAdey
Money List Winner
I think the best way to look at this situation is put yourself in it. Your going down the last hole in the club championship, you know you are 4/5 under your handicap. You ball ends up next to this tree, what do you do?
1: Read the rule as stated, take the free drop as the tree is not as high as your driver, get your par and win the medal?
2: Take relief under the penalty of one stroke as the length of the tree is greater than your driver, get annoyed that this has happened, get a double bogey and loose the club championship by a shot?
I think if we are honest then we would all go for option 1. No rule has been broken, even though at may have been stretched a bit......
1: Read the rule as stated, take the free drop as the tree is not as high as your driver, get your par and win the medal?
2: Take relief under the penalty of one stroke as the length of the tree is greater than your driver, get annoyed that this has happened, get a double bogey and loose the club championship by a shot?
I think if we are honest then we would all go for option 1. No rule has been broken, even though at may have been stretched a bit......
chrisd
Major Champion
The rules are there to assist you as well as hurt you
If the rule states that its the height of the tree using a driver to measure then if the height is less than the driver IMO it's a free drop. If it's a badly worded local rule then change the rule but dont criticise anyone who would benefit from using the rule to their advantage.
How long do you think Seve would ponder over the morality of this particular matter before scooping up his ball for a free drop??
If the rule states that its the height of the tree using a driver to measure then if the height is less than the driver IMO it's a free drop. If it's a badly worded local rule then change the rule but dont criticise anyone who would benefit from using the rule to their advantage.
How long do you think Seve would ponder over the morality of this particular matter before scooping up his ball for a free drop??
Colin L
Tour Winner
In match play your better option would of course be to take the relief. Your opponent might accept that or might make a claim in which case the Committee would have to make a ruling. That way you keep open the chance of being allowed your relief and winning the hole.
In stroke play you would be taking the risk of disqualification for returning a wrong score by taking the relief and a subsequent ruling going against you. The better option is, as was mentioned earlier in the thread, to play a second ball under Rule 3-3 Doubt as to Procedure and leave the Committee to decide.
The procedure is that you tell your FC what you are going to do and that you will want the ball played under the local rule to count. Then drop and play your ball under the local rule and your second ball under Rule 28 Ball Unplayable. Record both scores and report the facts to the Committee.
In the situation under discussion, it would be possible just to drop one ball which would satisfy the requirements of both rules but it is not advised (Decision 3-3/11). It would, for example, get complicated if you were required to re-drop under one rule but not under the other.
So in neither matchplay nor in stroke play would you have to make a final decision on the spot. You can pass it back to the Committee.
In stroke play you would be taking the risk of disqualification for returning a wrong score by taking the relief and a subsequent ruling going against you. The better option is, as was mentioned earlier in the thread, to play a second ball under Rule 3-3 Doubt as to Procedure and leave the Committee to decide.
The procedure is that you tell your FC what you are going to do and that you will want the ball played under the local rule to count. Then drop and play your ball under the local rule and your second ball under Rule 28 Ball Unplayable. Record both scores and report the facts to the Committee.
In the situation under discussion, it would be possible just to drop one ball which would satisfy the requirements of both rules but it is not advised (Decision 3-3/11). It would, for example, get complicated if you were required to re-drop under one rule but not under the other.
So in neither matchplay nor in stroke play would you have to make a final decision on the spot. You can pass it back to the Committee.
Foxholer
Blackballed
So, your driver gets held up straight to assist in the measure, but the thing you are measuring against is left lying at an angle........
It's an example of a badly worded LR in conjunction with some poor greenkeeping IMO.
What makes you say that it's BADLY worded?
It seems quite specific to me. And The Rules are actually worded the same way - to be read literally, with no 'interpretations' to be added. This is, however, something that would be appropriate for (the equivalent of) a query/decision.
Colin L
Tour Winner
I agree. It's all the fault of the bloody tree for growing crooked.:angry:
hamshanker
Challenge Tour Pro
Some really good points made,and if i came across this situation again i would allow the player relief...
Asits been pointed out,it states height less than driver but doesnt state its players reponsibility to straighten the tree/plant/bush to decide its height...
Next time we go there i will ask the question see what they say and post it :thup:
Asits been pointed out,it states height less than driver but doesnt state its players reponsibility to straighten the tree/plant/bush to decide its height...
Next time we go there i will ask the question see what they say and post it :thup:
Wabinez
Journeyman Pro
For me, common sense should kick in. I wouldn't have given you relief from it, no way.
hamshanker
Challenge Tour Pro
So, if ur up against a mature tree that still has a stake connected to it ,would common sense kick in and not allow relief as its not a new plant???
