Orikoru
Tour Winner
Really? When?You dont seem to mind doubting the word of a fair few people on this forum !
Really? When?You dont seem to mind doubting the word of a fair few people on this forum !
Why would I doubt the word of the pro/general manager by then researching the rule I've just asked him? Seems rude.
You dont seem to mind doubting the word of a fair few people on this forum !
Because in this case he/they are NOT the right person to ask - your Handicap Secretary is the right one. The response you get from Pro/GM might be right, but is not 'the Authority'.Why would I doubt the word of the pro/general manager by then researching the rule I've just asked him? Seems rude.
Whoever the handicap secretary is, he wasn't standing in the pro shop at the time.Because in this case he/they are NOT the right person to ask - your Handicap Secretary is the right one. The response you get from Pro/GM might be right, but is not 'the Authority'.
Whoever the handicap secretary is, he wasn't standing in the pro shop at the time.
Really? When?
What’s wrong with that? Or are we just to assume that some of you are always right and aren’t allowed to be questioned?
Why would you doubt him? Well, maybe at the time it is the only information you had to rely on, and went with it. However, now that the facts have been brought to light, you now at least know they were wrong on this matter. Furthermore, if you ever ask them another Rules related question, you have reason to allow some doubt to their response, given their track record. And, if you doubt them, that does not necessarily mean you need to be rude. You could simply ask them to highlight the related Rule to back them up, and if they were wrong you can both feel you have helped each other arrive at the right conclusion after a bit further digging.Why would I doubt the word of the pro/general manager by then researching the rule I've just asked him? Seems rude.
Post Number 5 quoted from the Rules directly. Is there much room to argue that? It is not exactly someone's opinion.What’s wrong with that? Or are we just to assume that some of you are always right and aren’t allowed to be questioned?
First time I asked a/the Pro any Rules/Regs question, he stated that he wasn't the one to ask, but pointed where (who) to find out (from).Whoever the handicap secretary is, he wasn't standing in the pro shop at the time.
Why would I doubt the word of the pro/general manager by then researching the rule I've just asked him? Seems rude.
I think you should assume the some of us are usually right but should certainly be questioned if necessary. A certain member of the forum demonstrated that at the beginning of this very thread. ?What’s wrong with that? Or are we just to assume that some of you are always right and aren’t allowed to be questioned?
Why, indeed? But you've got it the wrong way round. You, the player, are responsible for knowing the rulesWhy would I doubt the word of the pro/general manager by then researching the rule I've just asked him? Seems rude.
I agree, that since the introduction of WHS, it is less clear what handicap to enter unless you really dig for it (as post WHS). Pre WHS, players simply had a handicap. Now there is Handicap Index, Course Handicap and Playing Handicap, so I appreciate your point with the wording of the main rule.I have to day I have quite a lot of sympathy with Orikorus complaint.
In my view rules should at least be comprehensible from the rule book.
Most terms are clearly defined in the rules of golf handicap is not one of them.
If you go to the R&A handicapping guide it still does not tell you what you should enter.
If you then go to the guide on WHS in both the English and Scottish golf union websites it does not tell you what to enter.
Rules should be clear and unambiguous and easy to find.
The rule on handicapping certainly is not.
Whoa, I got a lot of quotes there while I was out for a bit so I won't be answering everyone individually. ?
To summarise:
I still think it is stupid to demand we write handicaps on the card when the computer works it out for you.
I also realise that the pro who said my card was fine as it was got it wrong by the letter of the law, so by rights I could have been disqualified, although I wasn't.
Next comp I'll probably write the handicap on the card. ??
Cheers all, it's been fun as always. See you again soon.
I have to day I have quite a lot of sympathy with Orikorus complaint.
In my view rules should at least be comprehensible from the rule book.
Most terms are clearly defined in the rules of golf handicap is not one of them.
If you go to the R&A handicapping guide it still does not tell you what you should enter.
If you then go to the guide on WHS in both the English and Scottish golf union websites it does not tell you what to enter.
Rules should be clear and unambiguous and easy to find.
The rule on handicapping certainly is not.
I don't doubt that it's somewhere on the website but if you go to the obvious place like the guide to handicaps and then onto player's guide to WHS it is not there .From the Scottish Golf website
What is a Course Handicap?
Your Course Handicap will be the number of strokes a player receives, before handicap allowances, from a specific set of tees as determined by the Slope Rating:
For example, for a golfer with a Handicap Index of 12.0, playing a course with a Slope Rating of 127, the calculation would be:
12.0 x (127/113) = 13.4867256637
This means the player’s Course Handicap will be 13.
Note This is the handicap you will put [on] your card and use when submitting a score, this the important handicap to remember!
The CONGU Guidance on the WHS also tells us, but in my book, handicap committees have a responsibility to ensure that something as basic and important as this is communicated to the membership.