Delusion

[fundy]

My old 4somes partner was off 1 and his short game was horrendous Gord. But he was just very good at choosing a shot that gave him a decent chance at par.

He would get the putter on it from most places, or a straight faced thin & run or the hybrid bunt. Only time he'd use loft is if no alternative - then he'd have to hit a big swing flop and had no real distance control.

But he'd always be putting for par of which he'd make a couple.

So, miss 5 or 6 greens. Get up & down twice. Couple of birdies thrown in.......

I know that doesn't address your chipping issues, but I don't think you hcap goals are delusional even with your current game.

Now, if I could drive it like you.......I'd probably have beaten Sergio in that play off last week. Delusional?? 😂😉

Pretty much describes my short game from last year. Am trying to use more loft in most situations but struggling to take from the practise ground to the course. Endless firm bare lies really dont help either, have far less issues (mainly mind) from grassier lies

 

[Imurg]

So, taking Gordy as the example..
Long game is already good, it's the short game that sucks.
Improving his long game will be less beneficial than improving his short game....
Seems pretty simple to me......
If the boot was on the other foot and his long game was dodgy but the short game hot.......Well, it's obvious what to do...
Work on the worst part of your game to make it better.
You'll make bigger strides doing that than improving what is already good..
Simples..

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So, taking Gordy as the example..
Long game is already good, it's the short game that sucks.
Improving his long game will be less beneficial than improving his short game....
Seems pretty simple to me......
If the boot was on the other foot and his long game was dodgy but the short game hot.......Well, it's obvious what to do...
Work on the worst part of your game to make it better.
You'll make bigger strides doing that than improving what is already good..
Simples..

Spot on Ian :thup: Unless your name is TomTom :rofl:

 

[Imurg]

Spot on Ian :thup: Unless your name is TomTom :rofl:

Glad to be of service👍😀

 

[TomTom]

Spot on Ian :thup: Unless your name is TomTom :rofl:

No idea who imurg is but if his name is Tom then good on him. Why not use forum names so everyone knows what is going on?!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Spent two hours working on my pitching and chipping. The two worse parts of my game over the last few years. Went out and played four holes and chipped to four feet on the first, pitched to 11 feet from 67 yards on the second (granted I missed both putts) got a sand save on our 8th and then pitched off a rubbish bare lie to 15 feet at the 9th. Definitely saw improvement and was level to my handicap for those holes so happy. For my game, I can get it round relatively well but it's cost me from 70 yards and in. If I can take the work I'm dong (and I've said this before!!) then happy days. A good start today

 

[garyinderry]

Not once does Phil even attempt to actually hit the ball clean in this series of shots.

Really great advice on weight distribution when the ball is sitting down and then on top of rough.

The video quality is poor but a nice snippet of the absolute gold included in Phil's secrets of the short game. Full video is on YouTube. If you haven't watched it, do it.

[video=youtube;pGmUxInqKH4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGmUxInqKH4[/video]

 

[tugglesf239]

My delusion is that if (when) I fix my inside takeaway, my handicap will tumble.

I am also deluded I to think I could get to single figures at some point.

Pity that I am finding this the single hardest thing to do. So bloody easy to just find myself slipping into bad habits.

Just to go against the grain slightly. Give me a pros long game 10 times out of 10.

It's no coincidence (for me as a individual) that my best rounds have been when I'm driving well and hitting my longer irons/hybrids well

My scrambling is rank average but I can do well enough to do ok.

Dream short games are all well and good if I'm already 3 off the tee or sat in the jungle with no chance of escape.

 

[srixon 1]

My delusion is that if (when) I fix my inside takeaway, my handicap will tumble.

I am also deluded I to think I could get to single figures at some point.

Pity that I am finding this the single hardest thing to do. So bloody easy to just find myself slipping into bad habits.

Just to go against the grain slightly. Give me a pros long game 10 times out of 10.

It's no coincidence (for me as a individual) that my best rounds have been when I'm driving well and hitting my longer irons/hybrids well

My scrambling is rank average but I can do well enough to do ok.

Dream short games are all well and good if I'm already 3 off the tee or sat in the jungle with no chance of escape.

I've had an inside takeaway for years and done OK with it. If it is repeatable then I don't see a problem. Get the odd block or slight hook but then who doesn't?

 

[guest100718]

Luke Donald has seen less than 50% of the fairways and shares the lead at RBC Heritage because his short game is amazing, his chipping and putting is the best you'll ever see.

#JustSaying :smirk:

50% of faiways hit is a meaningless stat. a ball that finishes off the fairway but laying well in the first cut is classed the same as a ball that goes OOB. he's still hitting those 2nd shots close...

 

[tugglesf239]

Mines is inside because I fan my wrists. I'm not saying an inside takeaway is bad per say. However mines leads to big issues right through the swing.

Sometimes I can Sherman ball after ball. Or I push high or power hook the thing.

When I achieve a steeper backswing (as per my instruction from the pro), my goodness the ball just goes so sweet. Much more repeatable for myself. Keeps the club head on the target line that much longer I find.

I'd guess your timing and tempo are much better than me. I just can't master it when fanning the face right open on the back swing

 

[guest100718]

In regards the whole short game / long game scenario which seems to be the main issue over the last page worth of posts - myself and someone else I play with regularly are two perfect examples of both

He plays of the 3 - the reason why is because his long game and ball striking is out of the world , haven't seen many hit it further with consistency and accuracy , it's as good as a Pros long game imo but he doesn't convert anywhere near enough of the chances he gets using the putter and his chipping on the whole is poor

Myself - I don't hit it miles , I'm easily at least 60/70 yards regualry behind him from the tee and he goes into par 3s with short irons where as for me it's Mid and long irons ( when playing a decent length Champ course ) but my short game or indeed game from 100 yards in is pretty decent , especially my chipping and putting but ultimately would say it's better than his

If he combine the two it would make a scratch/ plus HC golfer

But we are both example of the opposite end but who have reached similar levels of HC.

There is for me no one single thing that is more important that others - you can become a cat 1 player with a poor short game if you can hit it miles and you can become a cat 1 player if you don't hit it miles but have a very good short game

For me D4S getting lower isn't delusional just because you believe you have short game issues ( chipping ) , your long game and iron play is good enough for you to get round courses under your HC - being a good chipper would help but it won't stop you imo

For me I reckon I could get to a good 3 HC - if I could hit it further then maybe down to 2

so the guy with the better long game is better than you.....

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Mines is inside because I fan my wrists. I'm not saying an inside takeaway is bad per say. However mines leads to big issues right through the swing.

Sometimes I can Sherman ball after ball. Or I push high or power hook the thing.

When I achieve a steeper backswing (as per my instruction from the pro), my goodness the ball just goes so sweet. Much more repeatable for myself. Keeps the club head on the target line that much longer I find.

I'd guess your timing and tempo are much better than me. I just can't master it when fanning the face right open on the back swing

Which I guess begs the question why you aren't making the steeper backswing and not fanning the wrists. Not that I'm in a position to scorn though as I have had, and still have takeaway issues which when I get it right results in good shots. It's something I'm trying to work on so it becomes second nature but that could be a long time coming at the moment

 

[tugglesf239]

Thanks Homer

Think you have asked a question and then answered it in the same paragraph.

It's bloody hard to get steep.

Unnatural and bloody hard.

;-)