So you found a hole that was smaller. What did you do about it? It's the same for everyone playing the hole
Crowned holes!
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Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
Are you sure the hole was smaller or has your tape measure been cranked for better numbers? 
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Measuring who is furthest away from the hole? Actually because I had been measuring putter lengths as research for another topic.
Measuring putter lengths
I really, really hope we don't get a thread on whatever game changing phenomenon you've got going on there.
Many golfers play with standard length 34" or 35" putters. Some putting gurus think this is too long for average height people. The fact that many golfers grip their putters way down the shaft tends to confirm this. I am 5'10" tall and use a cut down 33" long putter by the way, but still tend to grip down a bit.Measuring putter lengths
What has that go to do with a tape measure in the bag or a hole too small. I'm 6 feet, been fitted for a putter in a SAM lab and have a 34 inch putter that I grip at the end as normal. Just because it suits you to have smaller please don't pigeon hole everyone or spout rubbish that everyone is using the wrong length putter
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
I must have arms like a t-rex. At 6 foot I am still bent over like Arnie with a 35 inch. :rofl:
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Some times you just want to get some people around the throat and shake
some sense into them.
some sense into them.
A 34" putter is probably ideal for a 6 footer. In my opinion a putter should not be longer than your floor to wrist measurement. My floor to wrist measurement is 33" and I have definitely improved my putting since shortening my putter to match. Many pros, including Phil Mickelson, use putters that are quite short relative to their height. This allows your arms to hang down fairly straight and encourages a pendulum like stroke.
Sorry but I disagree as strongly as I can without getting an infraction. Rubbish. I know a number of single figure players and pros who have 34 or 35 inch putters and have no issues with their stroke. Look on the tour coverage and you'll see any number of top players using these and gripping down the grip if they are comfy doing so (remembering a counter weight putter - en vogue on tour - is longer and you are suppose to grip down) and I simply fail to see how you can say it doesn't fit. Just because Mickleson and a few others do it doesn't make it universally correct or right
bobmac
Major Champion
So you think the arms should hand straight down?
Even if they did it would still be an arced stroke
If golfers are gripping down the shaft, they would be better off with a shorter putter with a heavier head. Counter-balanced putters are normally fitted with extra long grips to encourage you to grip down, and do have heavier than standard heads.
Why. Who says apart from you. As I've said I've been to SAM labs, had putting lessons spoken to and watched tour pros with 34 or 35 inch putters who grip at the top. Given all your documented woes (yips etc) I don't see how you can make an assumption for anyone other than yourself.
stevelev
Journeyman Pro
Well well, DelC obviously knows more than our resident pro. Who would have thought.............
Counter balanced putter are given a ling grip as it is to expensive to manufacture them at multiple length with the balance for each length varying. Also head weight is personal as is the type of grip a person chooses and these are different for each person. I know tall people who think my putter weighs way to much, and shorter people who would like a much heavier head to improve stability.
Before you mention my handicap being higher than yours Del, that is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is that you put forward so many weak and uneducated points of view. Maybe if you really thought about what you wrote we might not need to read so many pointless posts.
Good to see your handicap is going the right way though.:ears:
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
How many threads is it now that you have started and changed the topic when your latest insane rambling is rubbished by the forum?
I am honestly struggling to see how you can get any enjoyment from the game when you are constantly looking for issues that really don't exist.
Foxholer
Blackballed
As ever, DelC uses/produces a mix of recognised truth and unsubstantiated drivel!
From what I've seen, the standard 35" Putter is almost always too long. Rumour (unsubstantiated, but believable) has it that the reason they were made 35" was that back in the days when retail Putters were merely a necessary extra, and not the distinct market they are today, they had to be 35" to enable them to be seen in the huge Tour style bags in which they were displayed! That's where Scotty Cameron has had a huge impact! So there's a point where DelC is correct. However, the current vogue for counter-balanced putters is more to do with a migration from Belly ones than any other reason. Counter-balancing has been around for quite a while - I've even tried it - with a Certified Balance brass weight. But it's not so much that it 'encourages' supposed gripping down, as 'requires' it - otherwise it ain't counter-balanced! There's the point where the drivel takes over!
I found, by experiment/experience that 33", or a smidgeon less, is the ideal length for me. I'm 5'9" have relatively short legs and long arms and tend to bend over too much, so probably not typical! If a putter is cut down a significant amount, the balance changes significantly, so to reset the swing-weight to what it was does require weight to be added to the head. However, I don't believe that's particularly significant - except in the mind. While I believe I don't notice swing weight changes anywhere near as much as I can detect a harder/softer ball off Driver or putter, I didn't really notice the reduction by from 35" to 34" and the addition of a sizeable counterbalance - both of which would have reduced the swing weight - except that it felt better for length!
The other drivel is the assertion that someone who is gripping down would be better off with a shorter putter! They might be, but that should only be something to try if they are putting badly! If they are putting well, then there is no point changing - in fact, it's likely to be counter-productive! I've seen plenty of good putters who grip down!
The (desirable?) pendulum swing, which Bobmac correctly states has to become an arc eventually (though probably only for quite extreme swings, and maybe Michelle Wie's action is an exception) isn't simply just a matter of having fairly straight arms. There's a lot more involved - and it's up to the individual whether that action is actually right for them! And it's often equally or more important to match the style of putter to the individual's action than finding the 'best' length, as optimum length can be adjusted on the fly - by gripping up or down!
Anyway, none of this is really relevant to crowned holes, overgrown holes or even the absolute load of tosh he spouted about seeing a sign on the R&A Clubhouse over 20 years ago!
From what I've seen, the standard 35" Putter is almost always too long. Rumour (unsubstantiated, but believable) has it that the reason they were made 35" was that back in the days when retail Putters were merely a necessary extra, and not the distinct market they are today, they had to be 35" to enable them to be seen in the huge Tour style bags in which they were displayed! That's where Scotty Cameron has had a huge impact! So there's a point where DelC is correct. However, the current vogue for counter-balanced putters is more to do with a migration from Belly ones than any other reason. Counter-balancing has been around for quite a while - I've even tried it - with a Certified Balance brass weight. But it's not so much that it 'encourages' supposed gripping down, as 'requires' it - otherwise it ain't counter-balanced! There's the point where the drivel takes over!
I found, by experiment/experience that 33", or a smidgeon less, is the ideal length for me. I'm 5'9" have relatively short legs and long arms and tend to bend over too much, so probably not typical! If a putter is cut down a significant amount, the balance changes significantly, so to reset the swing-weight to what it was does require weight to be added to the head. However, I don't believe that's particularly significant - except in the mind. While I believe I don't notice swing weight changes anywhere near as much as I can detect a harder/softer ball off Driver or putter, I didn't really notice the reduction by from 35" to 34" and the addition of a sizeable counterbalance - both of which would have reduced the swing weight - except that it felt better for length!
The other drivel is the assertion that someone who is gripping down would be better off with a shorter putter! They might be, but that should only be something to try if they are putting badly! If they are putting well, then there is no point changing - in fact, it's likely to be counter-productive! I've seen plenty of good putters who grip down!
The (desirable?) pendulum swing, which Bobmac correctly states has to become an arc eventually (though probably only for quite extreme swings, and maybe Michelle Wie's action is an exception) isn't simply just a matter of having fairly straight arms. There's a lot more involved - and it's up to the individual whether that action is actually right for them! And it's often equally or more important to match the style of putter to the individual's action than finding the 'best' length, as optimum length can be adjusted on the fly - by gripping up or down!
Anyway, none of this is really relevant to crowned holes, overgrown holes or even the absolute load of tosh he spouted about seeing a sign on the R&A Clubhouse over 20 years ago!
North Mimms
Tour Winner
Is a pigeon hole bigger or smaller than 4.25" ?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Yes! Almost certainly! :rofl:
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
They aren't if they are made properly; it is perfectly possible to have a counterweighted putter at standard length.
http://boccierigolf.com/golf-clubs/heavy-putters/
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
No they are not. More drivel.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
CB putters tend to have longer shafts to raise the weight above the hands. it is recommended you place your hands where you would normally have them.
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