chrisd
Major Champion
I thought it was one of his more sensible posts.
Drone Rich drone, not really funny but it was early!
Crowned holes!
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Drone Rich drone, not really funny but it was early!
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
It was!
I'm really glad you noticed.
Leftie
Tour Winner
Crowned holes are a myth (with acknowledgements to Crowborough Beacon GC)
"Time to dispel another 'golfing myth' which crops up irritatingly from time to time, a bit like 'Comedy Pin Positions'!
That is, the myth of the "Crowned Golf Hole" which most commonly manifests itself following a putting round of 'under-hit putts', which have a tendency to veer away from the hole as the ball runs out of steam.
What is the real reason for that 'crowned' hole effect which so irritates people as their putt slides away and misses? Easy really, quite apart from a mis-read, or a ball simply running out of steam, it's pretty obvious that, as nobody stands with their feet right on the edge, or within a few inches of the hole, even when retrieving their ball from the hole, the grass inevitably remains undisturbed throughout the day, and stands up tall and proud and is not being constantly trampled down flat by foot traffic. Hence the grass will be LONGER around the edge of the hole, almost like a halo effect or the rings around saturn! So don't let your putts die at the hole or they will miss unless right in the middle. Dave Pelz the short-game king reckons that 17" beyond the hole is the perfect pace needed for a putt to hold its line, so just remember that when your ball is next left sitting, agonisingly on the edge of the hole, peering over the edge - It wasn't EVER hit hard enough to hold its line!"
Remember. Hit it a bit harder next time. :ears:
"Time to dispel another 'golfing myth' which crops up irritatingly from time to time, a bit like 'Comedy Pin Positions'!
That is, the myth of the "Crowned Golf Hole" which most commonly manifests itself following a putting round of 'under-hit putts', which have a tendency to veer away from the hole as the ball runs out of steam.
What is the real reason for that 'crowned' hole effect which so irritates people as their putt slides away and misses? Easy really, quite apart from a mis-read, or a ball simply running out of steam, it's pretty obvious that, as nobody stands with their feet right on the edge, or within a few inches of the hole, even when retrieving their ball from the hole, the grass inevitably remains undisturbed throughout the day, and stands up tall and proud and is not being constantly trampled down flat by foot traffic. Hence the grass will be LONGER around the edge of the hole, almost like a halo effect or the rings around saturn! So don't let your putts die at the hole or they will miss unless right in the middle. Dave Pelz the short-game king reckons that 17" beyond the hole is the perfect pace needed for a putt to hold its line, so just remember that when your ball is next left sitting, agonisingly on the edge of the hole, peering over the edge - It wasn't EVER hit hard enough to hold its line!"
Remember. Hit it a bit harder next time. :ears:
Not as simple as that! A firmly struck putt will hold its line better, but effectively makes the hole smaller, so it is more likely to lip out or even jump right over the hole, especially if it is crowned or volcano shaped. A dead weight putt will drop in as long as the ball's centre of mass is inside the lip of the hole.
Give it up man. You're on winter greens. They are wet and soft and not suppose to be at their best. Enjoy the fact your course has full greens at all and that you can get out and play. If by April you're getting crowned holes then I'd be a tad more sympathetic. That or put Smiffy's drone experience to the committee and see what they say
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
So Del using your logic a weakly hit putt that doesnt hold its line, must therefore effectively make the hole bigger
This is what you want Del, just under hit all your putts and the hole will increase in size, shame that you wont score any better, but you cant have everything in life
So Del using your logic a weakly hit putt that doesnt hold its line, must therefore effectively make the hole bigger
This is what you want Del, just under hit all your putts and the hole will increase in size, shame that you wont score any better, but you cant have everything in life
A standard sized golf hole can never be bigger than 4.25 inches in diameter, but a very firmly struck putt will only go in if it struck pretty much into the centre of the hole. Anything off centre will tend to lip out, which is why the hole effectively becomes smaller as the pace of the putt increases.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Are you now saying that a hole can be effectively smaller but never effectively bigger :rofl:
What about a pin position on a sloping green that gathers the ball towards the hole. Using your logic is that hole not now effectively bigger!
I get that you have a phobia about the hole size but you're going to have to find a way to accept it for what it is and enjoy putting again
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Your arguments would hold more weight if you didn't spout so much rubbish. But then I guess if you didn't spout rubbish, you wouldn't have an argument in the first place.
cliveb
Head Pro
So is it good etiquette to lean on your putter or not?
My question is simply this:
Is it better to lean on your putter and stretch to retrieve your ball (as the tour pros do), or to stand closer to the hole and not lean on your putter (as I currently do)?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Yes it is! That 17" optimum - done by Pelz using Perfie his swing machine - takes both the 'hold the line' and effective reduction in hole size into account.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
If using a putter as an aid to retrieving your ball from hole the correct documented method is to balance yourself with the putter but not to lean on it with undue pressure
The other way a hole can get effectively smaller on soft greens is the top of the hole being compressed in over the top of the liner, the top of which is normally sunk an inch below the surface. I recently played an away course where the holes looked even tinier than normal. I happened to have a tape measure in my bag and found they were less than 4" in diameter at the surface!
Foxholer
Blackballed
Why am I not surprised!
Pity you didn't have a camera when you supposedly saw 'that sign' - that has never existed - at St Andrews!
North Mimms
Tour Winner
I played at a course in Florida last week that had some alternative "holes" placed on edge of fairway away from line of play.
Big metal dishes inside cups which I could comfortably stand both feet in. I wished I'd had my phone camera with me. Don't know what it is, but it's not golf!
Big metal dishes inside cups which I could comfortably stand both feet in. I wished I'd had my phone camera with me. Don't know what it is, but it's not golf!
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
You need help delc! Plus, Why on earth would you have a tape measure in your bag, I actually can't think of a single valid reason why you would need one on a golf course.
upsidedown
Tour Winner
Played with guy the other day who used to be very good shot puter , so pretty big unit and he had a sucker on end of his putter so he was able to retrieve his ball by being no closed than 2 foot from the hole, best I can manage is six inches 
Measuring who is furthest away from the hole? Actually because I had been measuring putter lengths as research for another topic.
Could have been for Foot Golf, where the balls are somewhat bigger!
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