CONGU Club Handicaps

[Val]

Just a thought.

As you are only allowed 1 handicap then surely the 3 cards at a second club could be used as supp cards therefore if he can play 3 cards to 32 then surely thats a case for a ESR?

Unsure but just thowing it out there as an option/suggestion

 

[rulefan]

The system hasn't changed. From what I understand the Club HC is only valid at the club where it has gone to above 28

His home or away club then can either increase manually when the CDH comes through to a club HC or keep it as 28. It was a question I asked early on to them

No. The Home club allocate and manage the players handicap. The Away club cannot make any adjustments. The only adjustments would come from his having a CDH ID and playing rounds at his away club. If play at the away club would cause his handicap to drop to 28 or below his home club manage it.

 

[rulefan]

That is very interesting. I wonder if CONGU have thought this one through. My understanding is that, if a player with an existing CONGU Handicap takes up an offer of a Club Handicap, he loses his status as CONGU handicap holder and therefore his CDH number.

He does not lose his CDH ID. It is a lifetime ID.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No. The Home club allocate and manage the players handicap. The Away club cannot make any adjustments. The only adjustments would come from his having a CDH ID and playing rounds at his away club. If play at the away club would cause his handicap to drop to 28 or below his home club manage it.

?!

I know the Home club manage the HC

The adjustments come from the CDH from away club but when going through the Congu roadshow they confirmed that a player can have a Club HC at his away club above 28 even if the Home club have decided not to have CLub HC

So for example players home club is A and doesn't have Club HC or is not using the facilities will only have a maximum HC of 28. If the players away club wants to award him a Club HC above 28 they can but it won't go on CDH he will stay 28. If the player then plays a qualifier that requires a cut then the club HC is removed and CDH is adjusted and then accepted by Home club as away score.

It will end up being an admin mismatch and nightmare

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He does not lose his CDH ID. It is a lifetime ID.

It's not actually lifetime - a player who doesn't play for a period of time can lose the CDH number and can gain a new CDH number. The numbers are purged after a certain period of inactivity

 

[Colin L]

As we are not having Club HC above 28 his HC would stay at 28 at our club

This makes no sense at all. If you don’t have any handicaps above 28 (and presumably 36 for the women), you don’t have any CONGU Club Handicaps at all. CONGU Club Handicaps can only be 28.1/36.1 or higher; they cannot be 28 or lower. A player who returns the required number of scores that results in a handicap of 28 or lower is allocated a competition CONGU Handicap. A player may choose to stay with a competition handicap of 28 even though his scores would actually result in an increase; a player who holds a CONGU Club Handicap and whose scores bring him to 28 or below is automatically moved to a CONGU Handicap.

Perhaps you just mean you are not having any CONGU Club Handicaps. If so, I wonder why your club has decided not to take up an opportunity to make golf potentially more enjoyable, more attractive and more inclusive to both those early in the game who are improving and for those of us at the other end whose golf is inevitably declining.

 

[rulefan]

It's not actually lifetime - a player who doesn't play for a period of time can lose the CDH number and can gain a new CDH number. The numbers are purged after a certain period of inactivity

Not now. The software was changed very recently.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This makes no sense at all. If you don’t have any handicaps above 28 (and presumably 36 for the women), you don’t have any CONGU Club Handicaps at all. CONGU Club Handicaps can only be 28.1/36.1 or higher; they cannot be 28 or lower. A player who returns the required number of scores that results in a handicap of 28 or lower is allocated a competition CONGU Handicap. A player may choose to stay with a competition handicap of 28 even though his scores would actually result in an increase; a player who holds a CONGU Club Handicap and whose scores bring him to 28 or below is automatically moved to a CONGU Handicap.

That's correct we don't have any Congu Club HC at our place and for the foreseeable future we won't

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not now. The software was changed very recently.

How recently because new members that I put on the system yesterday had CDH numbers that were no longer active so were assigned new CDH

Last time I had to speak to them in regards this they said it was still saying the same

 

[Colin L]

That's correct we don't have any Congu Club HC at our place and for the foreseeable future we won't

I edited my post above too late.

Perhaps you just mean you are not having any CONGU Club Handicaps. If so, I wonder why your club has decided not to take up an opportunity to make golf potentially more enjoyable, more attractive and more inclusive to both those early in the game who are improving and for those of us at the other end whose golf is inevitably declining.

Unfortunately your words implied that you would have Club Handicaps below 28. No matter but I’d be interested in the reasons for your decision.

 

[rulefan]

How recently because new members that I put on the system yesterday had CDH numbers that were no longer active so were assigned new CDH

Last time I had to speak to them in regards this they said it was still saying the same

If their original IDs had already been deleted then they can not be resurrected, so would get new ones.
I can't swear that the actual change has yet been made but they were working on it a short while ago.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I edited my post above too late.

Perhaps you just mean you are not having any CONGU Club Handicaps. If so, I wonder why your club has decided not to take up an opportunity to make golf potentially more enjoyable, more attractive and more inclusive to both those early in the game who are improving and for those of us at the other end whose golf is inevitably declining.

Unfortunately your words implied that you would have Club Handicaps below 28. No matter but I’d be interested in the reasons for your decision.

It's what the committee decided

I also don't see the need to have HC above 28

 

[Old Skier]

It's what the committee decided

I also don't see the need to have HC above 28

Your very lucky to be in a club where all your players a able to play to handicap or better.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Your very lucky to be in a club where all your players a able to play to handicap or better.

If only

 

[Old Skier]

If only

So there might be a need for some to have a handicap greater than 28 if they wish to be able to compete at an equal level.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So there might be a need for some to have a handicap greater than 28 if they wish to be able to compete at an equal level.

Sorry but it won't be happening at our club - the committee don't want it to happen , speaking to the members and it seems they don't want it to happen.

No one will be given a HC above 28

Anyone who struggles to play to 28 HC at the club is either a senior golfer who has stopped playing comps or someone who is just starting out

We don't see the need to have any HC above 28.

 

[rulefan]

Anyone who struggles to play to 28 HC at the club is either a senior golfer who has stopped playing comps

I wonder why they have stopped playing comps.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I wonder why they have stopped playing comps.

Because most have gone to 5 day members and we only have one comp a month during the week and they now play just have a relaxing time with their friends. They were also consulted to see if an increase would have them playing again - one response was " I would rather give up golf than win playing with a HC over 30 ! "

And a lot agreed with him.

 

[upsidedown]

Sorry but it won't be happening at our club - the committee don't want it to happen , speaking to the members and it seems they don't want it to happen.

No one will be given a HC above 28

Anyone who struggles to play to 28 HC at the club is either a senior golfer who has stopped playing comps or someone who is just starting out

We don't see the need to have any HC above 28.

At my club in NZ we had around 25 members whose handicaps were 28 - 38 ( the max) and they covered all ages and ability as you allude to above. To the best of my recollection they seemed to take part in regular comps and their subs were very welcome.

 

[Colin L]

It's what the committee decided

I also don't see the need to have HC above 28

CONGU has recognised the needs of a large number of golfers - beginners and finishers - who have no meaningful handicap, who therefore have no competitions to enter and no easy way to deal with ability differences in that commonest form of club golf - informal matchplay among friends. Figures for the numbers of players on each different handicap show a fairly normal distribution curve up to 1 below maximum. The number of men on a 28 handicap is way out of proportion while the number of women on 36 is hugely out of proportion. That makes one group of players for the majority of whom, the CONGU handicap is of no use. Add to that players with lapsed handicaps and no handicaps at all. It’s quite a group to be “disenfranchised” and this new handicap should ensure that it has the same opportunities to enjoy competitive golf as those with 28/36 and below. Tie all of this in with the increased opportunities for 9 hole qualifying rounds and you see the direction CONGU is moving in.

I think it’s a great opportunity.