Change to US style slope system from current CSS

[delc]

Del, it's not just that they think it's OK, they are outraged that it's been changed.

I occasionally play 9 holes of solo golf in the summer evenings for practise, but I don't strictly follow the rules of golf, often hitting more than one ball, or practising chipping around the greens. Surely I would not be expected to input my scores from these onto the handicapping system?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That won't happen in the UK - taking on the way the US handicaps work won't happen belts and braces for the UK

 

[garyinderry]

Is there more risk of freak scores like net -10 or more with the US system.

Example someone suffering with hook driving posting 10 really poor scores and their handicap flying up then a simple grip change allows them to shoot even well below where their handicap originally was.

 

[upsidedown]

That won't happen in the UK - taking on the way the US handicaps work won't happen belts and braces for the UK

I'd like to think one day there would be an unified World Handicapping system.
Our game is fairly unique in having handicaps yet it's bizarre we have rules that apply worldwide but not handicapping.
An amalgamation of the three main systems would seem sensible maybe with 10 best of your last 20 from any measured tee,4BBB with most likely scores counting but no match play rounds where gimmies are an integral part of the game.

 

[upsidedown]

Is there more risk of freak scores like net -10 or more with the US system.

Example someone suffering with hook driving posting 10 really poor scores and their handicap flying up then a simple grip change allows them to shoot even well below where their
handicap originally was.

Yes I've seen scores of 46 win individual stableford comps indeed won one myself with 44 playing off 8, in NZ.
However have also seen it here but. Never been close to my 44 here tho 😁

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd like to think one day there would be an unified World Handicapping system.
Our game is fairly unique in having handicaps yet it's bizarre we have rules that apply worldwide but not handicapping.
An amalgamation of the three main systems would seem sensible maybe with 10 best of your last 20 from any measured tee,4BBB with most likely scores counting but no match play rounds where gimmies are an integral part of the game.

I think it will be using the slope index but only qualifying rounds to count plus supplemental cards

But all players to put in supplementary cards

Right now cat 1 can't and I would have loved to have been able to put them in throughout the year

 

[MadAdey]

People mention the ESR, but I have seen it fail miserably regarding 2 different players in the same season.

A few formers played with my old golfing buddy pete, so saw him in all his glory, playing well below his handicap.

In an 18 month period he won 2 winter leagues, the match play singles, the foursomes, multiple medals and got enough in pro shop vouchers to buy a TM driver and a couple if VOKEY wedges. He went from 25 to 12 in that period, by getting ESR,s. They still don't cut people quick enough as there was another player in a similar position at the same time doing the same.

 

[upsidedown]

Right now cat 1 can't and I would have loved to have been able to put them in throughout the year

Agree that's what frustrates me too when playing for club or County and missing qualifier's at Home course. The good rounds I have had would have counted in NZ

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Agree that's what frustrates me too when playing for club or County and missing qualifier's at Home course. The good rounds I have had would have counted in NZ

Using the US system though would have me being a scratch golfer - I don't think I'm a scratch golfer though

 

[upsidedown]

Using the US system though would have me being a scratch golfer - I don't think I'm a scratch golfer though

No I'd say youre nearer a 2 on their system , what are your last 10 rounds to sss ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No I'd say youre nearer a 2 on their system , what are your last 10 rounds to sss ?

Including non qualifiers and 4BBB ?

To par

+1
Level
-2
-1
Level
NR ( 34 points stableford)
3 over
3 over
Level
+1

 

[EuanRoss]

I see some major issues. Namely weather not being a factor. My course has wildly varying CSS based on weather conditions. I've mentioned elsewhere that a 77 in a howling gale at my place is tougher to shoot than 74 in a flat calm. Also what if the course is set up tough for an event, say club champ, all back tees, pins tucked away, fairways narrowed.

This is why I like CSS.

 

[upsidedown]

Including non qualifiers and 4BBB ?

To par

+1
Level
-2
-1
Level
NR ( 34 points stableford)
3 over
3 over
Level
+1

Yup assuming those are non qualifiers and 4BBB you'd have a handicap index of 1.1 at my course in NZ. Obviously arbitrary figures as don't have slope for yours :thup: But as were similar standard seemed a good starting point

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yup assuming those are non qualifiers and 4BBB you'd have a handicap index of 1.1 at my course in NZ. Obviously arbitrary figures as don't have slope for yours :thup: But as were similar standard seemed a good starting point

Three of them were qualifiers - bogey comp and couple medals

 

[upsidedown]

I see some major issues. Namely weather not being a factor. My course has wildly varying CSS based on weather conditions. I've mentioned elsewhere that a 77 in a howling gale at my place is tougher to shoot than 74 in a flat calm. Also what if the course is set up tough for an event, say club champ, all back tees, pins tucked away, fairways narrowed.

This is why I like CSS.

But those are only 2 rounds out of the 20 that count towards your handicap index I believe the OZ version has scope for very adverse weather.

 

[upsidedown]

Three of them were qualifiers - bogey comp and couple medals

So 3 off whites and rest off yellows? Maybe a small drop in index but probably still off 1

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So 3 off whites and rest off yellows? Maybe a small drop in index but probably still off 1

Sorry the NR was off whites as well

1 is what I play to in both swindles

Maybe it is a fair reflection

 

[delc]

I see some major issues. Namely weather not being a factor. My course has wildly varying CSS based on weather conditions. I've mentioned elsewhere that a 77 in a howling gale at my place is tougher to shoot than 74 in a flat calm. Also what if the course is set up tough for an event, say club champ, all back tees, pins tucked away, fairways narrowed.

This is why I like CSS.

Our course is also pretty exposed and windy, so I would also like to keep CSS, or some equivalent, for qualifying competitions. Also if we must have something like USGA, then I would like formal competitions to be given a greater weighting than bounce/friendly rounds with my mates.

 

[delc]

But those are only 2 rounds out of the 20 that count towards your handicap index I believe the OZ version has scope for very adverse weather.

I can't think of many rounds of golf I have played this year that haven't been played in at least moderately windy conditions, so you can't say that the conditions will balance out over a 20 round period!

 

[upsidedown]

I can't think of many rounds of golf I have played this year that haven't been played in at least moderately windy conditions, so you can't say that the conditions will balance out over a 20 round period!

At best that is 20 days of howling gales then ?
Moderately windy conditions shouldn't effect a well struck golf shot I for one cant think of 20 consecutive rounds where the weather has adversely affected my scoring . If it really is that bad at your place you need to adapt your game for the conditions :thup: