Orikoru
Tour Winner
I think it's probably enough to put him on a last warning but not enough to take serious action on.
chairman of our golf club accused of cheating
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Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
As much as I dispise cheating, is it right to put this on a forum, where there may be some who put 2 and 2 together to get that 4? Especially since everything is currently just "allegations"
r0wly86
Head Pro
Not done it with golf, but have done Rugby disciplinaries, both club committees and county.
I know it is different, but two players accusing another player of foul play wouldn't be anywhere enough. Would either need video or photographic evidence or for a referee or match official to make an accusation.
I know it is different, but two players accusing another player of foul play wouldn't be anywhere enough. Would either need video or photographic evidence or for a referee or match official to make an accusation.
doublebogey7
Head Pro
I tend to agree, for a first offence whether proven beyond doubt or not. However the burden of prove required in these cases is not the same as a criminal court. It us more like a civil court where it is assessed on a balance of probabilities. Two against one maybe sufficient to tip the balance depending, of course on other evidence prosented. Either way, robust procedures are essential and must be followed through to avoid either party feeling justifiably aggreived.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Or taking legal action as they feel their character has been tarnished
AussieKB
Well-known member
Character is tarnished now, am sure the word will go round nearby clubs.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Exactly…I think it should be dropped. No warning; No nothing from the club. Just nothing can be proved.
He’ll no doubt demand an apology from the accusers, but that’s not the club’s problem. Going forward, that the accused has been ‘called out’ will heighten his determination to make sure he is scrupulous in doing things by the rule book. Surely that’s the outcome required.
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
No good will come from this. It is incredibly hard to prove. Especially with this being massively public already and the position this person holds at the club.
We removed a lad from our group for being flexible with the rules but it took a long time to do so. Years of....
"How the hell did you find that ball in there?" when it had clearly sailed OOB or into a hazard.
"Your provisional balls all need to be marked/numbered differently" as he played the same ball with the same markings and his provisional would become his first ball in play on occasion.
"wow that was an incredible shot. How the heck did you hit it 200 yards towards the green with that tree right in front of your ball?"
It got so bad that everyone who played with him, used to shadow him while he played. We stuck close and watched him like a dingo watches a human baby and his scores deteriorated. The watching stopped and the scores improved again. He was then caught again. He was called out immediately and asked to leave the group. He did. He then left the club too.
Silly.
We removed a lad from our group for being flexible with the rules but it took a long time to do so. Years of....
"How the hell did you find that ball in there?" when it had clearly sailed OOB or into a hazard.
"Your provisional balls all need to be marked/numbered differently" as he played the same ball with the same markings and his provisional would become his first ball in play on occasion.
"wow that was an incredible shot. How the heck did you hit it 200 yards towards the green with that tree right in front of your ball?"
It got so bad that everyone who played with him, used to shadow him while he played. We stuck close and watched him like a dingo watches a human baby and his scores deteriorated. The watching stopped and the scores improved again. He was then caught again. He was called out immediately and asked to leave the group. He did. He then left the club too.
Silly.
AussieKB
Well-known member
Heh cut the Dingo jokes......
howbow88
Hacker
I 'shadowed' a bloke once. I had seen him 'find' his ball on the 7th hole - the thing is, the spare ball that was in his pocket just 10 seconds before had now disappeared...
I spent the rest of the round stuck to him like glue whenever he was looking for his ball. His impressive score started to diminish and after missing a short putt on the 17th, he picked up and NR'd.
It sounds petty, but I was pretty bloody satisfied with that.
AussieKB
Well-known member
Once I was about to tee off and people said to watch so and so.....that just killed my game, I was always worried about what he was doing.
D-S
Well-known member
I understand that one or two persons word against another may well be insufficient, but what would be ‘enough’? If the person involved continues to swear their innocence, what’s there to stop this just going on indefinitely?
All I can think of is video evidence but this is nigh on impossible to get.
Would another persons word on a different occasion be therefore enough?
There are no doubt some out there thick skinned enough just to bluff it out.
All I can think of is video evidence but this is nigh on impossible to get.
Would another persons word on a different occasion be therefore enough?
There are no doubt some out there thick skinned enough just to bluff it out.
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Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Very tough to judge
Will need to go through a proper disciplinary process
The two “accusers” will need to recant what they have seen
The “accused” will then need to provide his side
Will be tough without too much evidence
would expect some sort of warning
Will need to go through a proper disciplinary process
The two “accusers” will need to recant what they have seen
The “accused” will then need to provide his side
Will be tough without too much evidence
would expect some sort of warning
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Similar thing happened at Salisbury GC years ago with the club Secretary.
Seemingly, half the club knew he was 'at it' but it took a lady member to report him.
He claimed 'not guilty'.
Lawyers made a pretty buck out of it, if I recall correctly.
Seemingly, half the club knew he was 'at it' but it took a lady member to report him.
He claimed 'not guilty'.
Lawyers made a pretty buck out of it, if I recall correctly.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
To knowingly allow someone to cheat and not do anything about it is also breaking the rules of golf.
I used that line quite a bit when folk started twittering on about other members cheating.
I used that line quite a bit when folk started twittering on about other members cheating.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I'm sure every situation is different. You could have a group of people making an accusation, and that accusation may hold little weight if that group of people are all mates, not the most pleasant themselves and have a known dispute with the person they are making an accusation against. Or, if a group of people have had time to get together, agree their story so that it is consistent, and then make the accusation. Whereas, you could have one person making an accusation that holds weight, as they have no real motivations themselves to throw dirt.
Like everything, the investigation will likely bring everything to light. May turn out the chap is cheating. May turn out that they got a rule incorrect, and he was actually following the rules. May turn out he git a rule wrong innocently, and he is being accused of cheating.
D-S
Well-known member
I sincerely hope so but they often don’t.
sunshine
Well-known member
Orikoru
Tour Winner
If you've watched Peep Show and the episode where Jez does it.. that'd be me. "Justice was done.. not actual justice, but what I wanted, which is basically the same thing."I'll feel sorry for the accused in a trial if you ever do jury service
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Reading all this is not exactly encouraging golfers to report any cheating! Or is it who you report!
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