Caroline Flack

[stefanovic]

A bit like this thread which IMO has shown some poor taste and serves no purpose and is best terminated, we could just respect the fact a person has died and may she RIP

Sad this case is it's worth remembering we are all products of the terrible cruelty of evolution, going back 2 million years of human evolution alone.
Keep this in mind the next time a suicide happens:
"The average across a large number of historical studies suggests that in the past around one-quarter of infants died in their first year of life and around half of all children died before they reached the end of puberty. ... The global average today is 10 times lower than the average of the past."

In other words, there has never been a better time to be alive than now.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think the cps had to continue the case. As much as we might want to believe everything the couple told us of the incident there clearly was an incident of some sort - there are just too many situations when the ‘assaulted’ does not want to pursue the matter - and we hear of a subsequent assault with mich more grievous outcome.

We do not know anything of the girls relationship with her partner or the history - we naturally wish to think the best and most innocent - but would we think the same were the couple from a completely different socio-economic background? Besides. It is surely better in some ways that the case was heard and if there were mitigating circumstances or mental health issues the judge would surely have taken these into account...and recommended treatment. It is unlikely I am thinking that there would be ‘no case to answer’ or it being continued as a ‘showcase’ trial.

Let us not us let the media try and divert attention from their part in this terribly sad story by pointing a finger at the CPS. The media need to remember that when you the point a finger at others you point three at yourself.

 

[Hacker Khan]

It seems to me that that the fracas caused no danger to the public and the CPS were misguided. It did not need to keep it going.

A bit like this thread which IMO has shown some poor taste and serves no purpose and is best terminated, we could just respect the fact a person has died and may she RIP

Personally I think the recent posts have been very interesting, are busting a few myths and some people are being very brave in what they say. Not sure why it should be closed now.

 

[User20204]

Small point but technically your mother could not have taken selfies of you, she would just be taking a picture. The comparison would have been the number of selfies she took of herself on a camera.

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Small point, I never said my Mother took selfies with me, have another read of what I did actually say.

 

[User20204]

I think the cps had to continue the case. .

Of curse they had to, domestic abuse is not something that should be forgotten about cause it was a woman against a man.

 

[timd77]

It's a terribly sad and tragic ending but I never really understand people who don't know them personally getting upset.

I was shocked as anyone when I heard yesterday, I did think about her during the evening yet went to bed last night not thinking about her or her loved ones and got up this morning again with her not in my thoughts.

Personally speaking, I haven’t stopped thinking about it since I first heard. No fan of hers by any stretch of the imagination, but she’s a young person driven to this state, who felt her only way of peace was to kill herself. That is absolutely tragic. And everyone who buys a rag newspaper, likes a ‘gossip’ tweet, sends a nasty tweet thinking they’ll never read it, is part of the problem.

I guess the reason it’s got to me is that I’ve got 2 teenage daughters obsessed by how they look, what their friends think of them, what strangers think of them. And it scares the sh*t out of me to think that they might ever feel the way CF did, born from wanted to be liked.

Ours isn’t to necessarily understand or agree, rather to appreciate that everyone deals with life in different ways.

 

[User20204]

I guess the reason it’s got to me is that I’ve got 2 teenage daughters obsessed by how they look, what their friends think of them, what strangers think of them. And it scares the sh*t out of me to think that they might ever feel the way CF did, born from wanted to be liked.

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I'd hazard a guess that it's been due to your daughters obsession with social media that has them obsessed with what others think of them.

It's all about the likes.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Sad this case is it's worth remembering we are all products of the terrible cruelty of evolution, going back 2 million years of human evolution alone.
Keep this in mind the next time a suicide happens:
"The average across a large number of historical studies suggests that in the past around one-quarter of infants died in their first year of life and around half of all children died before they reached the end of puberty. ... The global average today is 10 times lower than the average of the past."

In other words, there has never been a better time to be alive than now.

If the only criteria you are using is infant and child mortality rates. Which if you are in a dark place mentally, is probably not the 1st thing that springs to mind.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And I hear with some sadness (i guess) all those celebs tweeting their sorrow - and in doing so they actually highlight for me the issue with social media. Why do these celebs feel the need to express their upset publically - do I really care what Jonathan Ross thinks for instance - absolutely not. But he and the rest clearly think that others - and their fans and followers - do need to hear their words. But why? Why do the celebs feel the need to do this, and why do the needy need it to read and to read it. That is social media for you I guess.

 

[Pin-seeker]

And I hear with some sadness (i guess) all those celebs tweeting their sorrow - and in doing so they actually highlight for me the issue with social media. Why do these celebs feel the need to express their upset publically - do I really care what Jonathan Ross thinks for instance - absolutely not. But he and the rest clearly think that others - and their fans and followers - do need to hear their words. But why? Why do the celebs feel the need to do this, and why do the needy need it to read and to read it. That is social media for you I guess.

Sadly that’s the world we live in.
People can’t go out for a meal or a night out without telling the world about it.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I'd hazard a guess that it's been due to your daughters obsession with social media that has them obsessed with what others think of them.

It's all about the likes.

Sorry, but when were you born...the 1700's?
Peer pressure has always been around and whilst modern social media may make it harder for young girls (and boys increasingly) to say it's social media is the reason is wrong. We didnt have it back in the 80's or 70's and girls then were still concerned about their appearance or what others thought about them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And I hear with some sadness (i guess) all those celebs tweeting their sorrow - and in doing so they actually highlight for me the issue with social media. Why do these celebs feel the need to express their upset publically - do I really care what Jonathan Ross thinks for instance - absolutely not. But he and the rest clearly think that others - and their fans and followers - do need to hear their words. But why? Why do the celebs feel the need to do this, and why do the needy need it to read and to read it. That is social media for you I guess.

So someone showing sadness because a fellow celebrity who many have worked with has passed away far too early in life shows you the issue with social media ?

And if you don’t care what Jonathon Ross says on social media - don’t follow him

It’s just the social media equivalent of people writing in sympathy cards

It’s pretty poor form to call people “needy” and it’s certainly not the case of “needing” to read anything

I would have thought a person with your beliefs would be very much in favour of people showing a nice human nature of showing sadness and sympathy and I certainly don’t expect someone to be so judgemental of people - would you rather they said nothing then people question the silence

Social media is a very powerful tool and there millions who suffer in silence who may seek comfort in a stranger words

 

[timd77]

I'd hazard a guess that it's been due to your daughters obsession with social media that has them obsessed with what others think of them.

It's all about the likes.

Absolutely. It’s horrific and there’s f all we can do about it.

 

[User20204]

Sorry, but when were you born...the 1700's?
Peer pressure has always been around and whilst modern social media may make it harder for young girls (and boys increasingly) to say it's social media is the reason is wrong. We didnt have it back in the 80's or 70's and girls then were still concerned about their appearance or what others thought about them.

Insecure women is nothing new I agree, but constantly looking for acceptance and "likes" on social media isn't going to help them, cause if they don't get the gratification they desire, then what ?

 

[pokerjoke]

And I hear with some sadness (i guess) all those celebs tweeting their sorrow - and in doing so they actually highlight for me the issue with social media. Why do these celebs feel the need to express their upset publically - do I really care what Jonathan Ross thinks for instance - absolutely not. But he and the rest clearly think that others - and their fans and followers - do need to hear their words. But why? Why do the celebs feel the need to do this, and why do the needy need it to read and to read it. That is social media for you I guess.

They work in the same industry and want to express their sadness,I really can’t see the problem with this.
I never knew her but I was very shocked and saddened when I heard the news.
A regular on tv and certainly came across as a very likeable person.

 

[Pin-seeker]

So someone showing sadness because a fellow celebrity who many have worked with has passed away far too early in life shows you the issue with social media ?

And if you don’t care what Jonathon Ross says on social media - don’t follow him

It’s just the social media equivalent of people writing in sympathy cards

It’s pretty poor form to call people “needy” and it’s certainly not the case of “needing” to read anything

I would have thought a person with your beliefs would be very much in favour of people showing a nice human nature of showing sadness and sympathy and I certainly don’t expect someone to be so judgemental of people - would you rather they said nothing then people question the silence

Social media is a very powerful tool and there millions who suffer in silence who may seek comfort in a stranger words

You’ve totally missed the point here Phil.

Also do you follow or interact with Piers Morgan in social media?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I’m having to delete posts, that means the thread is in danger of being closed.

Please guys

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don’t follow anyone on twitter or anything - I’m not on any of twitter, instagram etc. I simply heard the reporting of JR tweet (and others) on the radio and just wondered why the need to publically emote - and I only assume celebs do it as they feel the need to let their thoughts known to their fans and followers - and the flip side of that being that these followers need to hear the views of those they follow - why would you follow someone if you didn’t feel a need to know their thoughts on stuff and things? - and I just don’t get that.

I would rather expect any decent person to feel shocked and sad. Would it not be simpler and in some ways more respectful in this sort of sad situation for celebs to do their grieving in private - or perhaps send a message to her partner if they had a close enough relationship with her. Would that not be what those suffering the loss need to have - and support.

I‘m not angry or irritated by this public tweeting of grief - just a bit baffled as to why...how did we ever manage to provide words of comfort and support in difficult times before social media burst on the scene and took over...I know what I do - I pray for her, her partner, her family and those closest to her. And I do that in private.

 

[Fish]

So someone showing sadness because a fellow celebrity who many have worked with has passed away far too early in life shows you the issue with social media ?

And if you don’t care what Jonathon Ross says on social media - don’t follow him

It’s just the social media equivalent of people writing in sympathy cards

It’s pretty poor form to call people “needy” and it’s certainly not the case of “needing” to read anything

I would have thought a person with your beliefs would be very much in favour of people showing a nice human nature of showing sadness and sympathy and I certainly don’t expect someone to be so judgemental of people - would you rather they said nothing then people question the silence

Social media is a very powerful tool and there millions who suffer in silence who may seek comfort in a stranger words

how do you know he follows JR, I don’t follow him or many others, but I’ve read and seen their posts in online news posts and quoted on tv, so who’s being judgemental now, and as for questioning someones beliefs and how they should respond or shouldn’t, who are you to judge him, he’s got an opinion, one I value far more than yours, if you don’t agree with it, ignore it, isn’t that the core of this situation, if you haven’t got anything nice to say, don’t say anything!

 

[Fish]

I don’t follow anyone on twitter or anything - I’m not on any of twitter, instagram etc. I simply heard the reporting of JR tweet (and others) on the radio and just wondered why the need to publically emote - and I only assume celebs do it as they feel the need to let their thoughts known to their fans and followers - and the flip side of that being that these followers need to hear the views of those they follow - why would you follow someone if you didn’t feel a need to know their thoughts on stuff and things? - and I just don’t get that.

I would rather expect any decent person to feel shocked and sad. Would it not be simpler and in some ways more respectful in this sort of sad situation for celebs to do their grieving in private - or perhaps send a message to her partner if they had a close enough relationship with her. Would that not be what those suffering the loss need to have - and support.

I‘m not angry or irritated by this public tweeting is grief - just a bit baffled as to why...how did we ever manage to provide words of comfort and support in difficult times before social media burst on the scene and took over...I know what I do - I pray for her , her partner, her family and those closer to her. And I do that in private.

maybe you should ask Phil why he follows Piers Morgan on Twitter, especially if he hates everything about the person because of his past Sun employment, why follow him, and attempt to interact with him, again isn’t that again the core of this situation, using social media to attack people, speaks volumes imo.

Let him who casts the first stone, and all that.......