Benefits culture

[Liverbirdie]

My response was mainly being sarcastic, but and it is a massive but. 3 million eu migrants travel from the far reaches of the eu to work in this country. Doing all kinds of skilled, semi skilled and dead end jobs. Then we have some members of our public that quite frankly have no intentions of doing a days work. Yet more than get by, how's that supposed to be right. That should be addressed and sooner rather than later.

I think you've answered your own question.

I think we should have a system a bit like the exchange students scheme - We send our long term doleites to Bulgaria, and we get their work hungry people.

 

[Raesy92]

From another thread but also applies to this one ...

Around 1% of welfare benefits is spent on unemployment benefits. It's a tiny proportion of government spending yet everyone seems to take most exception to this. Of this 1% an even smaller percentage will be people claiming the benefit and not even looking/wanting to work. Of course these people will be receiving other benefits such as housing and child support but the reality is that there are much larger issues at hand. One mainly being tax evasion from the richest in society, yet we chastise the poorest.

Maybe somewhat surprisingly, unclaimed benefits are higher than that of benefit fraud. While there are obviously those that milk the benefit systems, it is probably a much smaller percentage that what you actually think.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

From another thread but also applies to this one ...

Around 1% of welfare benefits is spent on unemployment benefits. It's a tiny proportion of government spending yet everyone seems to take most exception to this. Of this 1% an even smaller percentage will be people claiming the benefit and not even looking/wanting to work. Of course these people will be receiving other benefits such as housing and child support but the reality is that there are much larger issues at hand. One mainly being tax evasion from the richest in society, yet we chastise the poorest.

Maybe somewhat surprisingly, unclaimed benefits are higher than that of benefit fraud. While there are obviously those that milk the benefit systems, it is probably a much smaller percentage that what you actually think.

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[SocketRocket]

government/publications/apprenticeship-levy-how-it-will-work/apprenticeship-levy-how

Can you please explain what your point is and how the Government are cutting funding.

 

[bluewolf]

From another thread but also applies to this one ...

Around 1% of welfare benefits is spent on unemployment benefits. It's a tiny proportion of government spending yet everyone seems to take most exception to this. Of this 1% an even smaller percentage will be people claiming the benefit and not even looking/wanting to work. Of course these people will be receiving other benefits such as housing and child support but the reality is that there are much larger issues at hand. One mainly being tax evasion from the richest in society, yet we chastise the poorest.

Maybe somewhat surprisingly, unclaimed benefits are higher than that of benefit fraud. While there are obviously those that milk the benefit systems, it is probably a much smaller percentage that what you actually think.

You're pissing in the wind with those types of stats. Far easier to blame the problems of the world on the workshy and feckless than it is to face some difficult truths.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Can you please explain what your point is and how the Government are cutting funding.

For such an educated chap, why can't you understand what I've written?

Government has cut funding for apprenticeships as employers now have to pay a greater % to training than what they used to.

 

[ADB]

For such an educated chap, why can't you understand what I've written?

Government has cut funding for apprenticeships as employers now have to pay a greater % to training than what they used to.

Even so, for a £12k apprenticeship the Govt will contribute £8k - is that worse than before as seems a good deal to me (assuming your business turns over less than £3m)? Just interested

 

[SocketRocket]

For such an educated chap, why can't you understand what I've written?

Government has cut funding for apprenticeships as employers now have to pay a greater % to training than what they used to.

For an educated chap you are being rather obtuse. Please show where the government share of apprenticeship funding is lower.

Apprenticeships have always been funded mainly by the Employer with grants from the Government. Training Apprentices is good for the Employer as it creates skilled employees at subsidised costs. Apprentice wages are quite low but that has always been the case even back in the 1950s/60s/70/s and so on.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

For an educated chap you are being rather obtuse. Please show where the government share of apprenticeship funding is lower.

Apprenticeships have always been funded mainly by the Employer with grants from the Government. Training Apprentices is good for the Employer as it creates skilled employees at subsidised costs. Apprentice wages are quite low but that has always been the case even back in the 1950s/60s/70/s and so on.

Could you clarify what you've posted?

 

[SocketRocket]

From another thread but also applies to this one ...

Around 1% of welfare benefits is spent on unemployment benefits. It's a tiny proportion of government spending yet everyone seems to take most exception to this. Of this 1% an even smaller percentage will be people claiming the benefit and not even looking/wanting to work. Of course these people will be receiving other benefits such as housing and child support but the reality is that there are much larger issues at hand. One mainly being tax evasion from the richest in society, yet we chastise the poorest.

Maybe somewhat surprisingly, unclaimed benefits are higher than that of benefit fraud. While there are obviously those that milk the benefit systems, it is probably a much smaller percentage that what you actually think.

Your 1% figure is a little misleading. If you simply look at the figure as unemployment benefits then the figure is in fact a small percentage of welfare overall but still a lot of money at around £2.4 Billion. There are also payments made as Disability benefits and as we would all agree there are many who are deserving cases but it would be very naive to believe there are not many claiming this benefit who are quite capable of doing a job. There is then housing benefit and a whole raft of tax credits. The total here is a great deal of money and money that could be put to better use.

Tax evasion is also a disgrace but is a different issue and needs addressing in it's own right. It is not correct to infer that while some don't pay their fair share of tax it somehow makes it OK for others to fiddle welfare. Where ever you live it's possible to see the feckless workshy out and about and people suggesting it's a small number that costs us next to nothing are extremely naive IMO of course.

 

[SocketRocket]

Could you clarify what you've posted?

Just read my recent posts on Apprenticeships and the appropriate links. maybe you could answer my question?

 

[MegaSteve]

Tax evasion is also a disgrace but is a different issue and needs addressing in it's own right. It is not correct to infer that while some don't pay their fair share of tax it somehow makes it OK for others to fiddle welfare. Where ever you live it's possible to see the feckless workshy out and about and people suggesting it's a small number that costs us next to nothing are extremely naive IMO of course.

Unfortunately society [seemingly] views those that fiddle their taxes differently from those that claim benefit... The former are heroes and the latter are villains...

 

[bluewolf]

Unfortunately society [seemingly] views those that fiddle their taxes differently from those that claim benefit... The former are heroes and the latter are villains...

We see what we're told to see. I wonder if there's any connection between the groups who tell us what's wrong with society and the people most at fault for society's ills?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Just read my recent posts on Apprenticeships and the appropriate links. maybe you could answer my question?

The highlighted bit?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Your 1% figure is a little misleading. If you simply look at the figure as unemployment benefits then the figure is in fact a small percentage of welfare overall but still a lot of money at around £2.4 Billion. There are also payments made as Disability benefits and as we would all agree there are many who are deserving cases but it would be very naive to believe there are not many claiming this benefit who are quite capable of doing a job. There is then housing benefit and a whole raft of tax credits. The total here is a great deal of money and money that could be put to better use.

Tax evasion is also a disgrace but is a different issue and needs addressing in it's own right. It is not correct to infer that while some don't pay their fair share of tax it somehow makes it OK for others to fiddle welfare. Where ever you live it's possible to see the feckless workshy out and about and people suggesting it's a small number that costs us next to nothing are extremely naive IMO of course.

16 Billion owed to HMRC in 2016 alone and as much as you say it's a disgrace you still twisted your answer back to the minority and feckless workshy, no words to describe the tax dodging fraudsters though.

 

[Raesy92]

Your 1% figure is a little misleading. If you simply look at the figure as unemployment benefits then the figure is in fact a small percentage of welfare overall but still a lot of money at around £2.4 Billion. There are also payments made as Disability benefits and as we would all agree there are many who are deserving cases but it would be very naive to believe there are not many claiming this benefit who are quite capable of doing a job. There is then housing benefit and a whole raft of tax credits. The total here is a great deal of money and money that could be put to better use.

Tax evasion is also a disgrace but is a different issue and needs addressing in it's own right. It is not correct to infer that while some don't pay their fair share of tax it somehow makes it OK for others to fiddle welfare. Where ever you live it's possible to see the feckless workshy out and about and people suggesting it's a small number that costs us next to nothing are extremely naive IMO of course.

You have just stated my 1% figure is misleading then went on to give a few other reasons that I had already mentioned in my post, so the figure was not misleading at all.

I have also not stated that there are not those that are workshy, but the difference between those that avoid paying tax and those that claim benefits unfairly is massive. You would think it was the other way around. If you read my post I have also mentioned benefit fraud, think the total for this is just over £1billion. The total for underpaid/overpaid benefits is in fact higher than this. Again those claiming benefits fraudulently, is probably much less than you are led to believe.

 

[SocketRocket]

You have just stated my 1% figure is misleading then went on to give a few other reasons that I had already mentioned in my post, so the figure was not misleading at all.

I have also not stated that there are not those that are workshy, but the difference between those that avoid paying tax and those that claim benefits unfairly is massive. You would think it was the other way around. If you read my post I have also mentioned benefit fraud, think the total for this is just over £1billion. The total for underpaid/overpaid benefits is in fact higher than this. Again those claiming benefits fraudulently, is probably much less than you are led to believe.

One problem is many are claiming benefits legally but shouldn't be.

 

[SocketRocket]

16 Billion owed to HMRC in 2016 alone and as much as you say it's a disgrace you still twisted your answer back to the minority and feckless workshy, no words to describe the tax dodging fraudsters though.

You are ignoring my point, deliberately I suspect . I am saying they are two different issues and neither are right but why suggest that because some evade tax it makes it OK for others to misuse claiming benefits.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You are ignoring my point, deliberately I suspect . I am saying they are two different issues and neither are right but why suggest that because some evade tax it makes it OK for others to misuse claiming benefits.

No one is saying that, you seem to brushing over the tax dodgers and continuing your attack on the benefit cheats, (look at the language you use to describe them both) both bad as each other, which one is there a crusade against?

 

[Reemul]

No one is saying that, you seem to brushing over the tax dodgers and continuing your attack on the benefit cheats, (look at the language you use to describe them both) both bad as each other, which one is there a crusade against?

There should be a crusade against both. The problem with tax dodgers is it is an unseen crime whereas we can all see the scroungers out and about which drives it home more.

We definitely need to get to grips with tax avoidance and it's issues. I have mates that are self employed plumbers and IT contractors etc and they pay a lot less tax than I do while earning a lot more than me, this includes my brother and brother in law and it really annoys me. They have accountants using all sorts of tricks while I have to use PAYE.

But Tax avoidance and Benefit scroungers both need dealing with and are both an issue not issues to use to beat each other over. Certainly the money raised could be used to support the NHS and care for the elderly pretty much immediately. A political party could make themselves very very popular if they could get this issue sorted quickly and efficiently.