Benefits culture

[Deleted Member 1156]

I overheard a conversation at the club today about Britain and it's benefits culture, seemed to be 2 views on offer.

1) All fit and able bodied people should earn their benefits by working for them doing things such as litter clearance and the various other tasks that local councils don't have the money to fund.

or

2) They should be allowed to sit at home and contribute nothing to society as forcing them to work for benefits amounts to slave labour and infringes on their human rights.


Your views on this?

 

[Norrin Radd]

no.1 without doubt.

 

[chrisd]

I play golf with an Indian guy and he tells me that back home EVERYONE works for a living. If they can only rubber stamp paperwork they do that for a wage - of course they are "looked after" but they do have to do something

 

[bluewolf]

I doubt you'll find anyone that disagrees with option one mate. However, it's far trickier in real life as you will be faced with many reasons why people can't get out to "work". Single mothers, incapacitated adults, mental health issues.

Just how do we propose to overcome all the current issues that people use to excuse themselves from contributing already?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Believe people who are fit and healthy and on job seekers allowance should be given council jobs to work for their benefits

 

[anotherdouble]

It truly saddens me when I hear benefits called wages or when people on benefits say ' I can't do anything this week as I don't get paid til next .......day'

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I overheard a conversation at the club today about Britain and it's benefits culture, seemed to be 2 views on offer.

1) All fit and able bodied people should earn their benefits by working for them doing things such as litter clearance and the various other tasks that local councils don't have the money to fund.

or

2) They should be allowed to sit at home and contribute nothing to society as forcing them to work for benefits amounts to slave labour and infringes on their human rights.


Your views on this?

If Answer 1 was so easy why hasn't it been implemented by now.

Answer 2 is normally given by those who have no idea how job seekers allowance works.

Plenty of genuine unemployed people out there who would love an opportunity to work, we just tar them all with same brush.

 

[Tashyboy]

I doubt you'll find anyone that disagrees with option one mate. However, it's far trickier in real life as you will be faced with many reasons why people can't get out to "work". Single mothers, incapacitated adults, mental health issues.

Just how do we propose to overcome all the current issues that people use to excuse themselves from contributing already?

agree with what you are saying apart from the bit where people can't get out to work, as against people won't get out to work.

 

[Hobbit]

I don't like either option.

Give them, say, 3 months to find a job before insisting they trigger an insistence that they work xx hours a week on social schemes for the benefit of society. If after a further 3 months of part time work to earn their benefits they still haven't got a job, up the number of hours they have to work for the state.

But lets not forget, there are a significant number of people who absolutely need support from the state. I'd like to see some benefits increased for the most needy, and I'd happily pay more tax to support that.

As for benefit scroungers, yes there are some who really do abuse the system. I know 4 generations of the dark side of my family that really do know how to screw the system and have never (officially) worked. The list of scams is unreal.

 

[Dasit]

The casual benefits culture is toxic.

Generations of families and whole communities some times. Nobody working and feeling entitled to be looked after by the state.

Very difficult to deal with.


I think universal income is the future and will solve the problem, the average person will mostly have leisure time, and vast majority of work will be part time.

 

[Old Skier]

Plenty of genuine unemployed people out there who would love an opportunity to work, we just tar them all with same brush.

And that is a sad fact, there are also those who live in areas were there are few opportunities for work and moving would cost money they don't have even if moving was an option or desire.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Believe people who are fit and healthy and on job seekers allowance should be given council jobs to work for their benefits

Excellent idea, we can then make the existing council workers redundant and then they can claim job se.........oh hang on..... maybees not such a great idea. :clap:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I don't like either options and it isn't that clear cut. Plenty on jobseekers would like to work and their not all shirking. Of course there are some that are. I don't think it's a black and white issue although it's one that needs addressing as there is a portion of the population exploiting it and this should be stopped

 

[hovis]

Believe people who are fit and healthy and on job seekers allowance should be given council jobs to work for their benefits

the way i see it. your on benefits? you now work for the government.

 

[hovis]

Plenty of genuine unemployed people out there who would love an opportunity to work, we just tar them all with same brush.

I'm sorry but when i hear this i just think of when i lost my job and got a new one within an hour. ok, it was delivering Chinese food but i could look myself in the mirror.

there are plenty of jobs available, just crap ones that they feel their too good for

 

[PIng]

Another option - fruit farmers, hoteliers etc are moaning that there will be a shortage of labour if/when Brexit results in a reduction of East Europeans coming over to work. People on benefits who are fit to work could fill the gap, without putting existing jobs at risk.

 

[hovis]

i often call on these types of homes to fit smoke detectors. i never tire of saying to the home owner when they open the door at 11.00 in their pajamas "oh, im sorry, do you work nights"

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm sorry but when i hear this i just think of when i lost my job and got a new one within an hour. ok, it was delivering Chinese food but i could look myself in the mirror.

there are plenty of jobs available, just crap ones that they feel their too good for

Garbage, My lad searched high and low for 8 months when he finished Uni and would of took anything he'd been offered, not everyone lives in large towns, some areas are high in unemployment and low in job opportunities.
What if you can't drive or have learning difficulties or just not suitable.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I'm of the view that if government has jobs that need doing they should hire people to do them rather than trying to get labour on the cheap.

 

[hovis]

Garbage, My lad searched high and low for 8 months when he finished Uni and would of took anything he'd been offered, not everyone lives in large towns, some areas are high in unemployment and low in job opportunities.
What if you can't drive or have learning difficulties or just not suitable.

i have yet to meet anyone that couldn't get a job that wanted one. when the recession hit my friend lost his job as a site manager on 50k a year. he was sacked Friday morning And started working Tuesday morning packing cardboard boxes for minium wage. how did he do that when everyone else was looking for a job? he walked into every factory and shop in the area and got lucky after 9 hours.

there's always work. i drove past Domino's pizza today and saw a sign "drivers wanted"