Benefits culture

[SocketRocket]

The welfare system in the past's first objective was to asses people for what kind of work they were capable of doing then helping them into work. If someone refused to cooperate with this system their benefits were removed.

There are certainly many people who are genuinely disabled but capable of doing some form of work and others who have disabilities that make them unemployable. There are unfortunately others that just dont want to work or are unemployable due to their attitudes and lifestyles, for anyone to suggest this is not a fairly large problem is naive IMO. There are also the Baby making machines where the men are good at knocking out kids but absent when it comes to supporting them, then there are the Women who have kids by many different Fathers and see the children as cash machines. The only way to address some of this is to be less generous with welfare support. Unfortunately it's difficult on the children but there could be better ways of making sure food, clothing etc was given to the children rather than cash direct to the feckless parents. Giving work to people who dont get jobs is a good idea as it introduces structure and work ethic into their lives.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

i have yet to meet anyone that couldn't get a job that wanted one. when the recession hit my friend lost his job as a site manager on 50k a year. he was sacked Friday morning And started working Tuesday morning packing cardboard boxes for minium wage. how did he do that when everyone else was looking for a job? he walked into every factory and shop in the area and got lucky after 9 hours.

there's always work. i drove past Domino's pizza today and saw a sign "drivers wanted"

3 Million unemployed and you've given 2 examples, What's the point of Dominoes if you can't drive!
You're mate was probably very experienced and has a lot to offer, I'd employ him over some clueless spotty 16yr old.
If it was that easy someone in power would of worked it out by now.

 

[Old Skier]

there's always work. i drove past Domino's pizza today and saw a sign "drivers wanted"

Ideal,

If a) you can legally drive
and b) you own a car - yes you use your own car, so now you need business insurance.

All of the above require - money.

 

[hovis]

3 Million unemployed and you've given 2 examples, What's the point of Dominoes if you can't drive!
You're mate was probably very experienced and has a lot to offer, I'd employ him over some clueless spotty 16yr old.
If it was that easy someone in power would of worked it out by now.

of them 3 million how many actually want a job? i spend my working day with these people and believe me, my eyes are wide open. on the plus side it does leave more jobs for the people that actually want them

 

[SocketRocket]

3 Million unemployed and you've given 2 examples, What's the point of Dominoes if you can't drive!
You're mate was probably very experienced and has a lot to offer, I'd employ him over some clueless spotty 16yr old.
If it was that easy someone in power would of worked it out by now.

Three million EU immigrants seem to find jobs.

 

[hovis]

Three million EU immigrants seem to find jobs.

that is a very good point.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

of them 3 million how many actually want a job? i spend my working day with these people and believe me, my eyes are wide open. on the plus side it does leave more jobs for the people that actually want them

No one is saying there are people cheating the system, but to tar everyone with the same brush is stupid, the imbalance of jobs v people around the Country is out of kilter, just like you claim to see these people everyday, I live amongst them and see everyday both sides.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Three million EU immigrants seem to find jobs.

All being paid the minmum wage, all living in decent accommodation, none being controlled by gangs and all legal :thup:

 

[Tashyboy]

Three million EU immigrants seem to find jobs.

And for me there in lies a problem. 3 million unemployed and 3 million Eu workers. By my simple reckoning there should not be one person from this country unemployed. There should be three million people paying tax, there should be three million less people claiming benefits.
The question is,,Why is that not the case.

 

[SaintHacker]

All being paid the minmum wage, all living in decent accommodation, none being controlled by gangs and all legal :thup:

Now who's tarring everybody with the same brush?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And for me there in lies a problem. 3 million unemployed and 3 million Eu workers. By my simple reckoning there should not be one person from this country unemployed. There should be three million people paying tax, there should be three million less people claiming benefits.
The question is,,Why is that not the case.

Because it's not that simple Tashy, Don't think we'll find an unemployed Nurse to replace a Nurse from the EU, do you? not everyone of those 3 million are doing jobs that the 3 Million unemployed could do.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Now who's tarring everybody with the same brush?

I'm being sacastic :thup:

 

[snell]

I'm sorry but when i hear this i just think of when i lost my job and got a new one within an hour. ok, it was delivering Chinese food but i could look myself in the mirror.

there are plenty of jobs available, just crap ones that they feel their too good for

It's not that easy.

Go on Reed and Indeed and you can normally see how many people have applied for certain jobs....always in the hundreds for normal run of the mill Jobs like cleaners, retail workers etc.

But there are no doubt loads of people out there who have zero interest in getting an actual job.

 

[Tashyboy]

Because it's not that simple Tashy, Don't think we'll find an unemployed Nurse to replace a Nurse from the EU, do you? not everyone of those 3 million are doing jobs that the 3 Million unemployed could do.

Exactly paul, I mentioned earlier on about governments helping to create part of this problem by not funding training and helping to create a system where it is deemed better to bring Filipino nurses over or Spanish, Irish etc etc.
People are leaving uni etc and cannot get jobs because it's easier or cheaper to import the skills.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Exactly paul, I mentioned earlier on about governments helping to create part of this problem by not funding training and helping to create a system where it is deemed better to bring Filipino nurses over or Spanish, Irish etc etc.
People are leaving uni etc and cannot get jobs because it's easier or cheaper to import the skills.

But people aren't leaving the education system with the right qualifications. All too often education is wasted on media type stuff, as many youngsters think they can be some sort of reality star and not have to work properly for a living.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Exactly paul, I mentioned earlier on about governments helping to create part of this problem by not funding training and helping to create a system where it is deemed better to bring Filipino nurses over or Spanish, Irish etc etc.
People are leaving uni etc and cannot get jobs because it's easier or cheaper to import the skills.

Totally agree we should be getting all 3 Million into work, the using the 3 million immigrants is a red herring, 5% of NHS Staff are EU immigrants, we have EU Immigrants working as Fireman and other highly skilled jobs, so without the time and investment to get these skilled people we will always need immigrants from either the EU or the RoW and will never have nil unemployment.
Certainly need to target the professional unemployed and don't jail them, make them work.

 

[SaintHacker]

I'm being sacastic :thup:

Fair one. We need a sarcasm smiley

 

[Simbo]

Option 1 without a doubt but it's never going to happen in this politically correct climate.
A lot of people don't want to work because most of the time they will earn minimum wage and not be that much better off than if they were on the dole.
One of the cleaners at my work said that he's only about £50 a week better off for doing a 40 hour week. He said if he cleaned 3 peoples gutters on their roof for 2 hours on the side and claimed brew money, he could spend the other 38 a week sitting about drinking cheap beer.
But there are jobs out there if you want one, you just need to go and find them.

 

[Tashyboy]

But people aren't leaving the education system with the right qualifications. All too often education is wasted on media type stuff, as many youngsters think they can be some sort of reality star and not have to work properly for a living.

This is why I have mentioned that the government needs to do more to help those that want to go into nursing, firefighting etc etc. How can we survive long term if the answer to our professional jobs ( and non skilled jobs) is by importing people from around the world.
There are people that want to work, yet doors are slammed shut. Why?
There are people that do not want to work, but they should be shoved through doors and told you will work or benefits will be cut.

 

[Beezerk]

All being paid the minmum wage, all living in decent accommodation, none being controlled by gangs and all legal :thup:

Really? Some have made a great life for themselves here, others I know live 8 to an apartment, eat only rice and beans and send every penny back to their nation of birth.
You need to get into more factories where minimum wage is the norm mate, it ain't pretty I guarantee that.