ball hitting bag who gets penalty

[markgs]

Today it was like comedy golf one of there boys hits his own bag then next shoot hits one of the other guys bags! massive argument broke out of who gets the penalty the person who hits the bag or the persons who's bag it is?????
then they played each others balls in the chaos another argument erupted anyway they both N/R the hole. My question is who gets the 2 stroke for hitting bag please?

 

[BTatHome]

Rule 19 ?

.... It's in all the rule books

 

[Foxholer]

But to save him the trouble...

If you hit your own (or partner's) equipment, you get the 2SP.

Hit someone else's, no penalty and you can either play it as it lies or replay the shot.

No penalty for you if someone hits your equipment. Unless you moved it so that it would of course.

Haven't you got the Rules App on your phone?

 

[BTatHome]

Hmmm, I thought it was 1 shot penalty

 

[Colin L]

Whoah there! Some confusing of stroke play and match play rules going on isn't there? Not to mention the wrong penalty.

Hitting your own or partner's equipment in both match and stroke play: 1 stroke penalty and play the ball as it lies.(19-2)
Hit your opponent's equipment in match play: no penalty and the option of playing the ball as it lies or cancelling the stroke and playing again. (19-3)
Hit your fellow competitor's equipment in stroke play: no penalty and play the ball as it lies. (19-4 referring back to 19-1)

 

[markgs]

clear as mud that rule then?

 

[Colin L]

It's not really complicated. Maybe I failed to be clear? Try it this way.

Stroke play and Match play are the same - a penalty for hitting yourself or your equipment and no penalty for hitting another player (other than your partner) or his equipment. The only difference between the two is that in match play you have the choice if you hit your opponent or his stuff of playing the ball as it lies or cancelling the stroke and playing again.

 

[Foxholer]

Whoah there! Some confusing of stroke play and match play rules going on isn't there? Not to mention the wrong penalty.

Hitting your own or partner's equipment in both match and stroke play: 1 stroke penalty and play the ball as it lies.(19-2)
Hit your opponent's equipment in match play: no penalty and the option of playing the ball as it lies or cancelling the stroke and playing again. (19-3)
Hit your fellow competitor's equipment in stroke play: no penalty and play the ball as it lies. (19-4 referring back to 19-1)

Doh! Only wrong in 2 areas! Thanks Colin. I actually thought it was only 1 shot, but looked up the Rule and saw 2SP/LoH - obviously didn't check well enough and it was for the wrong part of the Rule, so did that wrong too! Must be hunger!

At least it makes it consistent with what can happen in some (social) comps where there is both Individual and Team comp going on.

clear as mud that rule then?

Only when some idiot gets it wrong/doesn't check properly!

 

[CMAC]

Whoah there! Some confusing of stroke play and match play rules going on isn't there? Not to mention the wrong penalty.

Hitting your own or partner's equipment in both match and stroke play: 1 stroke penalty and play the ball as it lies.(19-2)
Hit your opponent's equipment in match play: no penalty and the option of playing the ball as it lies or cancelling the stroke and playing again. (19-3)
Hit your fellow competitor's equipment in stroke play: no penalty and play the ball as it lies. (19-4 referring back to 19-1)

I agree it is very clear and straight forward, almost common sense.

The matchplay part in bold though beggars this scenario. You are chipping onto green, opponent is off the green beside his bag and well out the way of your shot. You J arthur into his bag, can you legally just play it again?

 

[Colin L]

I agree it is very clear and straight forward, almost common sense.

The matchplay part in bold though beggars this scenario. You are chipping onto green, opponent is off the green beside his bag and well out the way of your shot. You J arthur into his bag, can you legally just play it again?

Yes. 19-3 doesn't say anything about not being applicable if your shot was a total embarrassment.

 

[rulefan]

Doh! Only wrong in 2 areas! Thanks Colin. I actually thought it was only 1 shot, but looked up the Rule and saw 2SP/LoH - obviously didn't check well enough and it was for the wrong part of the Rule, so did that wrong too! Must be hunger!

Perhaps you looked in an old rules book. It only changed a few years ago.

 

[NWJocko]

Whoah there! Some confusing of stroke play and match play rules going on isn't there? Not to mention the wrong penalty.

Hitting your own or partner's equipment in both match and stroke play: 1 stroke penalty and play the ball as it lies.(19-2)
Hit your opponent's equipment in match play: no penalty and the option of playing the ball as it lies or cancelling the stroke and playing again. (19-3)
Hit your fellow competitor's equipment in stroke play: no penalty and play the ball as it lies. (19-4 referring back to 19-1)

Isn't the first point contradictory to the 2 following? I might be misinterpreting it though.....

 

[Foxholer]

Perhaps you looked in an old rules book. It only changed a few years ago.

No. just too lazy/quick and simply checked the bottom of the Rule rather than in the clauses themselves.

The matchplay part in bold though beggars this scenario. You are chipping onto green, opponent is off the green beside his bag and well out the way of your shot. You J arthur into his bag, can you legally just play it again?

Apart from the 'rub of the green, you lucky git' approach, it's really the opponent's responsibility to either move to a position where that sort of thing could not happen, or be prepared to 'forgive' the shot if it does.

 

[Spuddy]

Isn't the first point contradictory to the 2 following? I might be misinterpreting it though.....

The first point is your own bag or your partner's. The other points relate to your opponents.

 

[NWJocko]

The first point is your own bag or your partner's. The other points relate to your opponents.

Cheers, I'd read it as playing partners rather than partner!

Makes sense now........

 

[Colin L]

Isn't the first point contradictory to the 2 following? I might be misinterpreting it though.....

As explained above. "Playing partner" is a term commonly used for others you are playing with in singles stroke play but it isn't used in the Rules and is, as you have just found, misleading as it is too easily mistaken for partner in the sense of another player in your side e.g. in foursomes or 4BBB.

 

[CMAC]

Apart from the 'rub of the green, you lucky git' approach, it's really the opponent's responsibility to either move to a position where that sort of thing could not happen, or be prepared to 'forgive' the shot if it does.

the opponent has to forgive? nope, not getting it. You lucky git isn't in the rule book either:smirk:

 

[Robobum]

,,,

 

[markgs]

so what is the rule someone put it in simply for who get the penalty in stroke play the player who bag it is or the player that hits?

 

[CliveW]

Put simply, in strokeplay, if you (the player) accidentally hits a fellow competitor or his equipment neither gets a penalty.