Andy Vs Roger

[colint]

Bull for two reasons. Firstly Roger himself who is "past his best" was the one who beat the world no 1.

Secondly, Roger is now the world no 1!

Murray is a little way behind the top 3. Not much.... he pushed Fed all the way today. He has beaten Rafa in grand slams before.

He will be at the top for another 5 or 6 years and he is too good not to win at least one in that time.

Not bull fact. First slam for Fed in 2.5 years, and evidently past his best. If he was pushed "all the way" it would have been a bit closer than 3 -1. Easy win in the end, writing was on the wall from the third set.

Never close to winning one doesn't say "too good not to win one" to me, it says not good enough. All of the other top players had won one by Murrays age, he's not going to get any better, face facts

 

[Tiger]

I cannot believe after that performance against the greatest player of all time, longest holder of the World number one spot, joint record holder of Wimbledon titles and one of the best indoor players of all time and showing real emotion on camera that the Murray haters are still in the prowl. No justification whatsoever. Have you been drowning yourself in Haterade?

 

[colint]

What a ridiculous statement when Federer has just went back to No. 1 in the world and just in case you didnt know he also happened to beat Djokovic in the semi-final.

Can we take it then that you dont rate Djokovic either?

No you can't, I rate both of them because they've won Slams.

 

[Neddy]

Not bull fact. First slam for Fed in 2.5 years, and evidently past his best. If he was pushed "all the way" it would have been a bit closer than 3 -1. Easy win in the end, writing was on the wall from the third set.

Never close to winning one doesn't say "too good not to win one" to me, it says not good enough. All of the other top players had won one by Murrays age, he's not going to get any better, face facts

So Fed peaked at 27 but Murray has already peaked at 25?

He is getting better year by year, his results over the past 18 months back up that statement and he will have plenty more chances.

How 4 finals isn't close to winning one I have no idea.

Typical of the people in this country that we have an outstanding talent and all people want to do is slag them off. Get out of the bitter barn and play in the hay....

 

[colint]

I cannot believe after that performance against the greatest player of all time, longest holder of the World number one spot, joint record holder of Wimbledon titles and one of the best indoor players of all time and showing real emotion on camera that the Murray haters are still in the prowl. No justification whatsoever. Have you been drowning yourself in Haterade?

You'll have to direct me to where I said I hate him, I said he's not good enough to win a slam, which based on current evidence is a fact

 

[Scottjd1]

Not a real tennis fan, but I have got extra admiration for Murray. Good to see he really cares and I think this will help him get that extra 5% he needs to mentally win a slam.

As for the comment that Federer is 3yrs past his prime...

NO!

Havent you read the post, he will not win a slam, not good enough ...FACT

 

[Dodger]

In 5 emotional, wobbly minutes with a microphone Andy Murray sweeps aside every myth ever written about his character.

A great,great Scot.

 

[thecraw]

You'll have to direct me to where I said I hate him, I said he's not good enough to win a slam, which based on current evidence is a fact

So Federer is a liar then when he stated that Murray will win one.

Go back to Westwood loving there is a man who's 100% not good enough.

 

[colint]

So Fed peaked at 27 but Murray has already peaked at 25?

He is getting better year by year, his results over the past 18 months back up that statement and he will have plenty more chances.

How 4 finals isn't close to winning one I have no idea.

Typical of the people in this country that we have an outstanding talent and all people want to do is slag them off. Get out of the bitter barn and play in the hay....

Fed, Nadal and Djokovic had all won multiple slams before 25, they didn't wake up at 25 as world beaters. His results say he's the 4th best, nothing more

I'd say it's more typical of the people in this country that some are wetting their pants about an also ran coming second. Woopeedoo

 

[Dodger]

Fed, Nadal and Djokovic had all won multiple slams before 25, they didn't wake up at 25 as world beaters. His results say he's the 4th best, nothing more

I'd say it's more typical of the people in this country that some are wetting their pants about an also ran coming second. Woopeedoo

Correct,England have made a pastime out of this.

 

[colint]

So Federer is a liar then when he stated that Murray will win one.

Go back to Westwood loving there is a man who's 100% not good enough.

Fed is a gent, what do you expect him to say ? I'm no Westwood fan, him and Murray are two players I compare regularly, both get in decent positions to win the big one, both either not good enough and / or bottle it

 

[colint]

Correct,England have made a pastime out of this.

Couldn't agree more Dodger, welcome to the club though.....

 

[smange]

No you can't, I rate both of them because they've won Slams.

Yep, in the past..

Can we now say then that as Djokovic was beaten 3-0 by a player "evidently past his best" that Djokovic is no longer a great player and is on the rapid decline.

Why not judge Murray on his performances and not just based on your dislike of him for whatever reason

 

[colint]

Yep, in the past..

Can we now say then that as Djokovic was beaten 3-0 by a player "evidently past his best" that Djokovic is no longer a great player and is on the rapid decline.

Why not judge Murray on his performances and not just based on your dislike of him for whatever reason

Sorry, did Murray win ? My apologies, congratulations Andy.

 

[Neddy]

Fed, Nadal and Djokovic had all won multiple slams before 25, they didn't wake up at 25 as world beaters. His results say he's the 4th best, nothing more

I'd say it's more typical of the people in this country that some are wetting their pants about an also ran coming second. Woopeedoo

He might as well quit the game now then, just because his career hasn't been exactly the same as the top 3's up to this point.

He is the 4th best, nowhere in this thread have i said he wasn't, but sometimes the 4th best beats the 3rd best or the 2nd best or even the 1st best. Such is the beauty of sport.

Your world must be pretty dull if what happens in the past must always dictate what happens in the future.....

 

[Piece]

Correct,England have made a pastime out of this.

Don't forget the best British pastime is knocking British stars down when they do well...

 

[colint]

He might as well quit the game now then, just because his career hasn't been exactly the same as the top 3's up to this point.

He is the 4th best, nowhere in this thread have i said he wasn't, but sometimes the 4th best beats the 3rd best or the 2nd best or even the 1st best. Such is the beauty of sport.

Your world must be pretty dull if what happens in the past must always dictate what happens in the future.....

I don't think he should quit, he's making a great living and 4th best is an achievment, I just don't see why there's this continual "he'll win one soon" attitude when all of the evidence says he won't

 

[HawkeyeMS]

There is some rubbish posted on this forum sometimes.

And what is it with stating opinions as fact? Bizarre, really bizarre

 

[colint]

There is some rubbish posted on this forum sometimes.

And what is it with stating opinions as fact? Bizarre, really bizarre

Almost as bizarre as not reading posts properly. I stated Fed is past his best, that's a fact based on his results. I stated the top 3 are too good, that's a fact based on results

 

[Neddy]

I don't think he should quit, he's making a great living and 4th best is an achievment, I just don't see why there's this continual "he'll win one soon" attitude when all of the evidence says he won't

I look at it this way. He's averaging one slam final a year since 2008 and has reached the semi finals in 6 out of the last 7 slams. Assuming he plays to this level until he is 30 he will have several more chances and on one of those occasions he will play the game of his life and/or his opponent will have an off day and he will win.

Lendl lost his first 4 finals, Agassi his first 3. They both wound up with 8 grand slam titles. I'm sure after they lost their 4th/3rd final people such as yourself were stating that the evidence suggests they will never win one. That they were chokers, that they weren't quite as good as McEnroe/Connors/Sampras/insert name as appropriate.

I think this is a classic case of two people interpreting the facts very differently. I have every faith that i am right and you are wrong. But we shall see....