6 Nations

[Doon frae Troon]

Jings that was a dreadful second half, I pity the folk who had paid money to watch that.

England back to their boring boring forwards game.
So much for Eddies bright new world.

I would rather lose 40 nil to an open game.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Jings that was a dreadful second half, I pity the folk who had paid money to watch that.

England back to their boring boring forwards game.
So much for Eddies bright new world.

I would rather lose 40 nil to an open game.

Sorry but you would prefer to beat England at all costs let's be honest here

Maybe "boring" forwards but the winning try was a piece of quality and far from boring

 

[selwood90]

A win is a win, agree it was an ugly win. But more to the point. Who thought Hartley looked like a leader? I personally didn't, at breakdowns after the whistle you still saw robshaw rushing in to get players to forget the handbags and retreat. I hope we do well, but I'm still not sure Hartley is the man for the job. But by all means hope I am proved wrong. Roll on Wales Ireland tomorow. If you had to pick a winner of tomorrows game who would you go for? I had France England and Ireland to win

 

[GB72]

Win, 2 tries first match under a new coach, I will take that. Expect more as the tournament goes on. Suspect Itoje will be in for Lawes next week and Brown not showing last season's form so maybe Watson to fullback.The new caps need to be blooded slowly especially with only a couple of weeks to prep for the first match under a new coaching team.

 

[fundy]

Win, 2 tries first match under a new coach, I will take that. Expect more as the tournament goes on. Suspect Itoje will be in for Lawes next week and Brown not showing last season's form so maybe Watson to fullback.The new caps need to be blooded slowly especially with only a couple of weeks to prep for the first match under a new coaching team.

Agree to differ lol.

No openside, no inside centre, no new players blooded (Itjoe and Daly couldnt stand the pressure on all accounts), still horribly slow at the breakdown, no creativity in midfield, actually bar naming Hartley captain nothing changed at all

Hartley, Haskell, Robshaw, one of Farrell/Ford, Brown not in our best XV imo and Jones got a lot of work to do and not much time to do it.

 

[MegaSteve]

A win is a win, agree it was an ugly win. But more to the point. Who thought Hartley looked like a leader? I personally didn't, at breakdowns after the whistle you still saw robshaw rushing in to get players to forget the handbags and retreat. I hope we do well, but I'm still not sure Hartley is the man for the job. But by all means hope I am proved wrong. Roll on Wales Ireland tomorow. If you had to pick a winner of tomorrows game who would you go for? I had France England and Ireland to win

Think Hartley was trying too hard to be Mr Nice Guy...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sorry but you would prefer to beat England at all costs let's be honest here

With Scotland's two professional teams and about 400 club teams I have always considered beating any rugby country as an unlikely bonus but, to be honest, I would rather lose a good game than win a bad game.
I was the same when I played golf.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

A win is a win, agree it was an ugly win. But more to the point. Who thought Hartley looked like a leader? I personally didn't, at breakdowns after the whistle you still saw robshaw rushing in to get players to forget the handbags and retreat. I hope we do well, but I'm still not sure Hartley is the man for the job. But by all means hope I am proved wrong. Roll on Wales Ireland tomorow. If you had to pick a winner of tomorrows game who would you go for? I had France England and Ireland to win

Sorry but if England play that poorly, Ireland and Wales will muller them and aside from regressing to the forwards rumbling along there was nothing that made we think this will be a bright new dawn under the new coach

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Agree to differ lol.

No openside, no inside centre, no new players blooded (Itjoe and Daly couldnt stand the pressure on all accounts), still horribly slow at the breakdown, no creativity in midfield, actually bar naming Hartley captain nothing changed at all

Hartley, Haskell, Robshaw, one of Farrell/Ford, Brown not in our best XV imo and Jones got a lot of work to do and not much time to do it.

Maybe the coach felt it wasn't the right game to blood them and change too many things too quickly

It's only the first game and there is a long way to go and getting a win at Murrayfield is a good start with a solid performance.

Maybe a touch harsh being too overly critical in the first game ? Did anyone really expect a big difference this quickly ?

Italy does seem a good place to bring in a few more and just keep building

 

[Deleted member 15344]

With Scotland's two professional teams and about 400 club teams I have always considered beating any rugby country as an unlikely bonus but, to be honest, I would rather lose a good game than win a bad game.
I was the same when I played golf.

Sorry I don't believe you - if you had won a scrappy ugly game you wouldn't be able to hide your delight and celebration - it's very clear your thoughts on England and beating them would be a delight for you

 

[fundy]

Maybe the coach felt it wasn't the right game to blood them and change too many things too quickly

It's only the first game and there is a long way to go and getting a win at Murrayfield is a good start with a solid performance.

Maybe a touch harsh being too overly critical in the first game ? Did anyone really expect a big difference this quickly ?

Italy does seem a good place to bring in a few more and just keep building

If you watched Itoje last 12 months then Jones comments are laughable imo, id rather blood someone lin this game than publicly tell them i dont think they can handle the pressure yes

As for changes, yes I expected a new coach to have a different approach rather than the same one that has failed English rugby for at least 10 years, wasnt that the point of bringing in a southern hemisphere coach?

 

[Fish]

Sorry I don't believe you

😳 DFT, your a liar apparently 😳

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sorry I don't believe you - if you had won a scrappy ugly game you wouldn't be able to hide your delight and celebration - it's very clear your thoughts on England and beating them would be a delight for you

You don't know me at all, how can you possibly say that.
[As if I care what you think]

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you watched Itoje last 12 months then Jones comments are laughable imo, id rather blood someone lin this game than publicly tell them i dont think they can handle the pressure yes

As for changes, yes I expected a new coach to have a different approach rather than the same one that has failed English rugby for at least 10 years, wasnt that the point of bringing in a southern hemisphere coach?

Yep seen him and he is young and there is plenty of time ahead for him - it's Jones first game so went for expirence - yes some others should have played but you can see why he didnt play them , maybe if they were at Twickenham the selection might have been different

And do you really expect Jones to put his footprint on things in his very first match ? It's going to take time . It took Woodward a good number of years and failures before he got it right.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You don't know me at all, how can you possibly say that.
[As if I care what you think]

Because you can tell by your posting and the clear passion you have for your own country.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Because you can tell by your posting and the clear passion you have for your own country.

Nothing wrong with that irrespective of who you support is there?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Because you can tell by your posting and the clear passion you have for your own country.

I have a passion for my country but I have a bigger passion for sport that I have played played properly.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I have a passion for my country but I have a bigger passion for sport that I have played played properly.

So you wouldn't celebrate if Scotland beat England at any sport ? Regards of who the game was played

 

[User20205]

I have a passion for my country but I have a bigger passion for sport that I have played played properly.

Define playing it properly? England did OK. Nothing more. Ford was quiet, Joseph under used, Haskell did OK @
Openside.

Murray field was always going to be hard especially after the scotch performance against the Aussies but the result was never in doubt.

It's about building teams, you don't do that with wholesale changes to a team that has a good core, the fella from sarries and Daly may be included next week.

Time of year when all the arm chair fans come out, myself included. Who here can honestly say they watch the premiership week in week out (apart from gb72?)

 

[fundy]

Define playing it properly? England did OK. Nothing more. Ford was quiet, Joseph under used, Haskell did OK @
Openside.

Murray field was always going to be hard especially after the scotch performance against the Aussies but the result was never in doubt.

It's about building teams, you don't do that with wholesale changes to a team that has a good core, the fella from sarries and Daly may be included next week.

Time of year when all the arm chair fans come out, myself included. Who here can honestly say they watch the premiership week in week out (apart from gb72?)

expect i watch more than most as i bet on it a lot, also watch a lot of the southern hemisphere rugby which is where a lot of my gripes come from, the difference is so large and we only realise it each time the world cup comes around