3,000,000 Hungry Kids in the UK

[guest100718]

Excellent post sir

indeed

 

[Old Skier]

Budgeting, priorities and education are the issues I come across all the time in my voluntary work.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Absolutely. I've tried 6 times to write a reply to this thread but deleted them- The level of narrow mindedness is staggering.

This is a forum where opinions are valid, even if not informed by personal experience. But as someone who has worked intensively with families brought to their knees by poverty I'm quite upset by the level of utter crap that's been spouted by some on here.

I'll give that one a like as well.

It's as if some of these are parody accounts. I know, it's a golf forum, let's post in the manner of the most reactionary narrow minded Express/Mail reader as that is the lazy stereotype of golfers as it will be a laugh. But the sad thing is that they are not doing it as a joke.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'll give that one a like as well.

It's as if some of these are parody accounts. I know, it's a golf forum, let's post in the manner of the most reactionary narrow minded Express/Mail reader as that is the lazy stereotype of golfers as it will be a laugh. But the sad thing is that they are not doing it as a joke.

I'm a bit confused or maybe I have missed these posts that are horrifying people ? Can you give us a clue or maybe it's my posts ?

Genuinely only seen people give an opinion ?

 

[guest100718]

I'm a bit confused or maybe I have missed these posts that are horrifying people ? Can you give us a clue or maybe it's my posts ?

Genuinely only seen people give an opinion ?

Number of times LP mentioned.... 0

Stand down

 

[SocketRocket]

Peoples main gripe seems to be that parents are spending their benefit money on fags (probably make a massive issue because they believe the tax they pay is buying this).

I wonder if these same people realise that between 80-90% on the RRP of a 20 pack of cigarettes is taxed. So a large majority of this money is actually going back in to the government purse.

So we should feel better that they are paying their share of tax rather than feeding their kids! The Tax paying is a red herring, if someone pays tax out of an income provided from others tax then they are contributing nothing.

 

[Dando]

I'll give that one a like as well.

It's as if some of these are parody accounts. I know, it's a golf forum, let's post in the manner of the most reactionary narrow minded Express/Mail reader as that is the lazy stereotype of golfers as it will be a laugh. But the sad thing is that they are not doing it as a joke.

my other half works is school and has kids tell her they haven't eaten. When parents come in they have new cars, smart phones and the latest edition trainers.

after I got custody of my daughter she told me (she was told not to tell me) her tea at her mums was often a pot noodle that sometimes needed to last 2 days! Her mum had new trainers, iPhones, PlayStation, sky TV, smoked and drank. She even had money to go to Blackpool every weekend but always pleaded poverty despite getting all benefits, working cash in hand and getting maintenance from me.

its all all about getting priorities right!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm a bit confused or maybe I have missed these posts that are horrifying people ? Can you give us a clue or maybe it's my posts ?

Genuinely only seen people give an opinion ?

Try the one mentioning sterilisation or tarring every single-mother with the same brush or the ones were everyone are only using food banks so they can buy fags and booze with the money they save.

 

[SocketRocket]

Absolutely. I've tried 6 times to write a reply to this thread but deleted them- The level of narrow mindedness is staggering.

This is a forum where opinions are valid, even if not informed by personal experience. But as someone who has worked intensively with families brought to their knees by poverty I'm quite upset by the level of utter crap that's been spouted by some on here.

It is indeed sad to see someone brought to their knees by poverty and especially when the victim has tried their best to survive. The problem here is if we take extremes then the discussion becomes emotive and narrow and does not portray the overall situation.

I take your point but are you also supporting the view that there is no excuse for poverty in any circumstances, that the individual should not take responsibility for their lifestyles and make changes that will improve their children's quality of lives. I talk from personal experience where I lived in real poverty as a child, my Father was disabled as a Soldier fighting for his country and was thrown on the scrapheap after the war, my parents didn't know where the next meal was coming from most of the time but they did everything possible to protect their children. IMO there are far too many people these days that make the decision to spend money on what I would call luxuries before taking care of the basic needs of their families, you and others may believe such thinking is 'utter crap', but rather than say that why not engage in some proper debate and persuade people that they may be wrong in their thinking. Would it be better then if anyone believing that there are people misusing the system just shut up as it may be offensive to some?

 

[SocketRocket]

Try the one mentioning sterilisation or tarring every single-mother with the same brush or the ones were everyone are only using food banks so they can buy fags and booze with the money they save.

How about reading the posts and not taking bits and pieces out of context to promote your opinion.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm a bit confused or maybe I have missed these posts that are horrifying people ? Can you give us a clue or maybe it's my posts ?

Genuinely only seen people give an opinion ?

It's just a typical socialist tactic where they attack the integrity of anyone disagreeing with their mantra rather than make a reasoned argument based on the issue.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It is indeed sad to see someone brought to their knees by poverty and especially when the victim has tried their best to survive. The problem here is if we take extremes then the discussion becomes emotive and narrow and does not portray the overall situation.

I take your point but are you also supporting the view that there is no excuse for poverty in any circumstances, that the individual should not take responsibility for their lifestyles and make changes that will improve their children's quality of lives. I talk from personal experience where I lived in real poverty as a child, my Father was disabled as a Soldier fighting for his country and was thrown on the scrapheap after the war, my parents didn't know where the next meal was coming from most of the time but they did everything possible to protect their children. IMO there are far too many people these days that make the decision to spend money on what I would call luxuries before taking care of the basic needs of their families, you and others may believe such thinking is 'utter crap', but rather than say that why not engage in some proper debate and persuade people that they may be wrong in their thinking. Would it be better then if anyone believing that there are people misusing the system just shut up as it may be offensive to some others?

Were in his post does he support the view there is no excuse for poverty in any circumstances, that the individual should not take responsibility for their lifestyles and make changes that will improve their children's quality of lives. Your putting words in his mouth.

The discussion is extremes, somebody mentions single mothers and straight away we get other posting stories about single mothers to reinforce the view.

I would imagine we are all intelligent people on here but the opinions are the extremes.

I do case work for the RBL, I've done quite a few in recent years were ex military personnel are asking for vouchers to go the food bank to see them and their families through to the next week. like a lot of things in this country we tar everyone with the same brush and have become more and more sceptical, it's sad, don't let the scumbag minority cloud your judgement.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

How about reading the posts and not taking bits and pieces out of context to promote your opinion.

Or you could answer were you think the barbaric act of forced sterilisation fits into a modern society!

 

[SocketRocket]

Or you could answer were you think the barbaric act of forced sterilisation fits into a modern society!

I ask you again. Read the post and then use it in the context it was made.

There are people IMO that would be better off sterilised as they are not capable of raising children, it breaks my heart to see how some of these morons raise and treat these kids and the damage they inflict on their young lives. As I said this will never happen but does not detract from my opinion of them. And before you start climbing up the moral high ground I am not referring to people who are on hard times.

 

[SocketRocket]

Were in his post does he support the view there is no excuse for poverty in any circumstances, that the individual should not take responsibility for their lifestyles and make changes that will improve their children's quality of lives. Your putting words in his mouth.

The discussion is extremes, somebody mentions single mothers and straight away we get other posting stories about single mothers to reinforce the view.

I would imagine we are all intelligent people on here but the opinions are the extremes.

I do case work for the RBL, I've done quite a few in recent years were ex military personnel are asking for vouchers to go the food bank to see them and their families through to the next week. like a lot of things in this country we tar everyone with the same brush and have become more and more sceptical, it's sad, don't let the scumbag minority cloud your judgement.

You have a bad habit of not reading and digesting what I post. I asked him a question, I never made an accusation.

 

[Quadhole]

It isn't just "ONE POST" or 5 posts that is so surprising, but many more, it is the general feeling and cover up, excuses to ignore the obvious here by elite, and Golfers fit the bill to a TEE. It is also great to see that over the POND, you have the same type of people now, ones you would never hear from 40 years ago, outside of the country club... Now they are not country club members, but half way there and post like one...

Not my problem :
1.It is BADDDDD Parenting ?
2.what do you want me to do ?
3. I have my own things to deal with !
4.Poverty, yea right, I dont ever see it and I go everywhere...
5. I seen a lady that claimed poverty, yet she had a TV and a Pack of Cigarettes. (shame on her)...
6. Those kids were eating candy, how can they do that when they are on the free meal program.
7. There isn't income inequality, just some people work harder and the world needs ditch diggers too...
8. THey should go back and get a better education.
9. That guy actually bought a SODA with his food stamps...

Lets face it, the electrician, the plumber, the executive assitant, the janitor, the store manager, taxi driver, district manager, all make the same money or close to it s 30 years ago. The Executive now make 30 times his old salary and so do the medical professionals, Nurses, nope, secretaries, nope... There is now a cutoff line and you are above it or below it, above grows and below is stagnate for the next 30 years... Better open your own business, because you, as a skilled craftsman, no matter what the skill, is below the suit and tie guy in banking and his is going to grow exponentially while your income falls. They have excuse after excuse, after chart to tell you why it isnt, but it is, and all here know it, just refuse to admit it, thus, don't have to care.

I read all the same ignorant sh*t from Business tie elitist over here too... I see we are a carbon copy of each other... If you are raking in the money and don't care about other people, admit it, but don't pretend it is all the FAthER and Mothers faults so you can ignore it... you know, dAMN RIGHT WELL, that our society has turned into 2 separate but unequal entities... THere is ZERO chance a kid from one of these families can get out based on the PAY their parents make, i am not talking about the ones you used to excuse yourself from paying attention, I am talking about the hard working honest guy that you MAY or MAY not rip off in telling him (this is a good investment for you) or (sorry to increase your rent, our bills went up).. When you know in fact, it is more for you and less for them...
This isn't pointed at any one person, but the general (THOUGHT PATTERN) that has taken ahold of the right wing in that (Not my problem).. it may not be now, but the fact you are driving a wedge with greed between the VERY rich and the measly poor will catch up to your kids when they have to bail them out, or shoot them at their door step... I am not on a crusade, and am just a guy in the middle willing to tell the truth... I certainly do not make a killing financially, and can see what is coming. I am just willing to look and see it, are you ?
Hey, being a human isn't for everyone.. .Some people need that cigar, that hooker, and that golf game to feel like a man... Go get um tough guys...

 

[SocketRocket]

It isn't just "ONE POST" or 5 posts that is so surprising, but many more, it is the general feeling and cover up, excuses to ignore the obvious here by elite, and Golfers fit the bill to a TEE. It is also great to see that over the POND, you have the same type of people now, ones you would never hear from 40 years ago, outside of the country club... Now they are not country club members, but half way there and post like one...

Not my problem :
1.It is BADDDDD Parenting ?
2.what do you want me to do ?
3. I have my own things to deal with !
4.Poverty, yea right, I dont ever see it and I go everywhere...
5. I seen a lady that claimed poverty, yet she had a TV and a Pack of Cigarettes. (shame on her)...
6. Those kids were eating candy, how can they do that when they are on the free meal program.
7. There isn't income inequality, just some people work harder and the world needs ditch diggers too...
8. THey should go back and get a better education.
9. That guy actually bought a SODA with his food stamps...

Lets face it, the electrician, the plumber, the executive assitant, the janitor, the store manager, taxi driver, district manager, all make the same money or close to it s 30 years ago. The Executive now make 30 times his old salary and so do the medical professionals, Nurses, nope, secretaries, nope... There is now a cutoff line and you are above it or below it, above grows and below is stagnate for the next 30 years... Better open your own business, because you, as a skilled craftsman, no matter what the skill, is below the suit and tie guy in banking and his is going to grow exponentially while your income falls. They have excuse after excuse, after chart to tell you why it isnt, but it is, and all here know it, just refuse to admit it, thus, don't have to care.

I read all the same ignorant sh*t from Business tie elitist over here too... I see we are a carbon copy of each other... If you are raking in the money and don't care about other people, admit it, but don't pretend it is all the FAthER and Mothers faults so you can ignore it... you know, dAMN RIGHT WELL, that our society has turned into 2 separate but unequal entities... THere is ZERO chance a kid from one of these families can get out based on the PAY their parents make, i am not talking about the ones you used to excuse yourself from paying attention, I am talking about the hard working honest guy that you MAY or MAY not rip off in telling him (this is a good investment for you) or (sorry to increase your rent, our bills went up).. When you know in fact, it is more for you and less for them...
This isn't pointed at any one person, but the general (THOUGHT PATTERN) that has taken ahold of the right wing in that (Not my problem).. it may not be now, but the fact you are driving a wedge with greed between the VERY rich and the measly poor will catch up to your kids when they have to bail them out, or shoot them at their door step... I am not on a crusade, and am just a guy in the middle willing to tell the truth... I certainly do not make a killing financially, and can see what is coming. I am just willing to look and see it, are you ?
Hey, being a human isn't for everyone.. .Some people need that cigar, that hooker, and that golf game to feel like a man... Go get um tough guys...

Your are talking of life in the USA which is very different from the UK, especially with Welfare. Do you have any experience of life in the UK? It sound very much like you dont by your post.

 

[richy]

Absolutely. I've tried 6 times to write a reply to this thread but deleted them- The level of narrow mindedness is staggering.

This is a forum where opinions are valid, even if not informed by personal experience. But as someone who has worked intensively with families brought to their knees by poverty I'm quite upset by the level of utter crap that's been spouted by some on here.

Excellent post.

 

[richy]

So if you're poor and struggle to feed your kids you most probably drink too much, smoke, take drugs, have the best TV package or have a brand new phone etc?

Unbelievable. Maybe a golf forum isn't the best place to get a fair representation of what it's like to struggle.
(Oh look, here come the "I was poor growing up" posts)

 

[Hacker Khan]

I ask you again. Read the post and then use it in the context it was made.

There are people IMO that would be better off sterilised as they are not capable of raising children, it breaks my heart to see how some of these morons raise and treat these kids and the damage they inflict on their young lives. As I said this will never happen but does not detract from my opinion of them. And before you start climbing up the moral high ground I am not referring to people who are on hard times.

Just a heads up, by saying 'this will never happen' does not make an opinion any less offensive or morally justifiable. Let me give you an example:-

I think old people should be shot, but this will never happen. Now you see that opinion is still offensive, despite the 'it will never happen' clause I added at the end.

But to be fair to you, it is good to hear that people who have fallen on hard times are not on your sterilisation hit list. I'm sure they will sleep better knowing that....