Raesy92
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My main point was that many on here are ignoring the fact that kids are in poverty, and are focusing on reasons that they believe make this 3,000,000 figure was mis-leading.
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3,000,000 Hungry Kids in the UK
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My main point was that many on here are ignoring the fact that kids are in poverty, and are focusing on reasons that they believe make this 3,000,000 figure was mis-leading.
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Just be grateful no one has suggested banning them from having pets and having the animals destroyed, then we'd see proper outrage,
ColchesterFC
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I haven't read any post that ignores the plight of those suffering but it is a valid discussion to ask how much of that suffering is self inflicted through lifestyle choices made by the parents. As a parent my priorities are that my kids are fed, clothed and have a warm home to come back to. After that, if there is money left over, I might get a night out or a round of golf. But I certainly don't go off to the pub with my mates knowing that the fridge is empty and we can't afford to put the heating on. It's called understanding my responsibilities and if I wasn't prepared to give up certain things then I wouldn't have had children.
Raesy92
Assistant Pro
So your suggestion for these kids is ...?
Also, do you think these parents had kids and thought ' i'm just gonna start smoking for the sake of it'. They've probably been brought up in a family that smokes, or been from a disadvantaged background and struggle to get out this lifestyle.
The focus should be on educating the future generation so that in maybe 15-20 years time there will be less need to argue over bad parenting due to spending all their money on fags and booze.
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Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
It was a mickey take agreeing with/responding to Richy's excellent post quoting Monty Python. If you somehow want to take offence from me quoting Monty Python and think that I was referring to your father being severely disabled then perhaps best if you do get out of this thread.
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FairwayDodger
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Quadhole
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Yes, I do, and poor are poor everywhere, just throwing in the tidbits that are here too...
A hard working family there does not make enough money working a regular job, period....
Golfers are a unique bunch, will give you that.... Yes, they should be able to smoke, and drink, and have nice things on ONE income of a guy that is an electrician, they did 40 years ago ? No ? Or is it that an electrician is different in the UK... (they do plumbing) ? and the plumber is an electrician ? Either way, they don't make enough money, neither do the factory workers... Because the owner now dictates how many billions he will keep... not enough regulation... Both sides...
Quadhole
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Come over here and read posts... Have you even heard of the Koch Brothers ? THey now pay people to post in forums like this in America... You think you are chatting with someone that just doesn't care about people. You find out that it is paid posting by BIG OIL corps... Just like they help pay for Russia to mess up the election and vote in Trump..
The Rich are manipulating the poor via right wing propaganda... Followers as we call them here, are people with LOWER I.Q.'s and will follow a leader, someone that preaches what they want to hear... It really is sad that they are going to drive all the middle class (slowly) down to a LOW class and pocket more money along the way...
By the way, it is great to see that over there, so many still care about their fellow countrymen. Over here, very little left... They think if they do what Trump and the Republicans want, it will help them... Sad and stupid thinking...
Dasit
Tour Rookie
Liberals in full outrage mode, throwing around daily mail and bigot insults.
How about some suggestions?
Every country has poverty. The UK has always had poverty. Maybe it it is just inevitable part of society.
Hopefully we do get universal income in the future, and parents spend the money feeding their kids nutrious diets. Until then what solutions do we have?
We bring in free school meals for all kids of a certain age and that brings the problems of parents need feeding their kids in the holidays.
How about some suggestions?
Every country has poverty. The UK has always had poverty. Maybe it it is just inevitable part of society.
Hopefully we do get universal income in the future, and parents spend the money feeding their kids nutrious diets. Until then what solutions do we have?
We bring in free school meals for all kids of a certain age and that brings the problems of parents need feeding their kids in the holidays.
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
I guess were you in poverty then you'd just shrug your shoulders and go "well it's inevitable".
Nothing like a race to the bottom.
Can we not assume that trying to get rid of poverty may actually be a good thing, or do we just accept it?
Dasit
Tour Rookie
How about suggestions instead of little snidy remarks
No one wants anyone to be in poverty
user2010
Challenge Tour Pro
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Perhaps we could follow the examples of the world's happiest countries.
http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/happiest-countries-in-the-world-2017.html
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
As i see it - and through personal experience - children who are from families 2,3 or 4 generations unemployed or poor are cast in the mould of their predecessors - and will become yet another poverty and deprived statistic unless measures are taken to break the mould these children find themselves in.
And these measures are not the same as those required to help sort a problem child from a better off background. There is no point in focussing on, and berating, the parents. The focus must be the child. And what they need is help in understanding of the specific circumstances that has created their mould and then working out what will enable the child to break their mould and form their own personal - to be the person they can be - despite their background.
But that needs people, support, understanding and time - and that all requires money and resilience from government as they reject all the accusations that are hurled their way - accusations of wasting money on scroungers - the undeserving - the feckless and lazy; why them not us the taxpayers I will go the relentless cry. The accusations may apply to some parents - they need not apply to the children. And the children are the future. Theirs and ours.
And these measures are not the same as those required to help sort a problem child from a better off background. There is no point in focussing on, and berating, the parents. The focus must be the child. And what they need is help in understanding of the specific circumstances that has created their mould and then working out what will enable the child to break their mould and form their own personal - to be the person they can be - despite their background.
But that needs people, support, understanding and time - and that all requires money and resilience from government as they reject all the accusations that are hurled their way - accusations of wasting money on scroungers - the undeserving - the feckless and lazy; why them not us the taxpayers I will go the relentless cry. The accusations may apply to some parents - they need not apply to the children. And the children are the future. Theirs and ours.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9164
Perhaps this could help explain why our children are going hungry.
Perhaps this could help explain why our children are going hungry.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Are you really inferring that is the reason.
