3,000,000 Hungry Kids in the UK

[Hobbit]

So if you're poor and struggle to feed your kids you most probably drink too much, smoke, take drugs, have the best TV package or have a brand new phone etc?

Unbelievable. Maybe a golf forum isn't the best place to get a fair representation of what it's like to struggle.
(Oh look, here come the "I was poor growing up" posts)

Great post, right until your bracketed sentence. Can you see the poor from up there on that very high horse? But to satisfy your stereotyping, I grew up in the roughest part of Middlesbrough. I remember what it was like, reinforced by lots of charity work every single month in areas like that across the UK.

What things do you do for the poor, other than give sermons from on high?

 

[Hacker Khan]

So if you're poor and struggle to feed your kids you most probably drink too much, smoke, take drugs, have the best TV package or have a brand new phone etc?

Unbelievable. Maybe a golf forum isn't the best place to get a fair representation of what it's like to struggle.
(Oh look, here come the "I was poor growing up" posts)

When I was young we were poor as we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us!

 

[SocketRocket]

So if you're poor and struggle to feed your kids you most probably drink too much, smoke, take drugs, have the best TV package or have a brand new phone etc?

Unbelievable. Maybe a golf forum isn't the best place to get a fair representation of what it's like to struggle.
(Oh look, here come the "I was poor growing up" posts)

That's reactionary twaddle if you dont think there is a problem with this. You seem to have missed the parts where posters have sympathy for the genuine case and your professional feeling of offence somehow seems to sit you very high up on your horse.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I ask you again. Read the post and then use it in the context it was made.

There are people IMO that would be better off sterilised as they are not capable of raising children, it breaks my heart to see how some of these morons raise and treat these kids and the damage they inflict on their young lives. As I said this will never happen but does not detract from my opinion of them. And before you start climbing up the moral high ground I am not referring to people who are on hard times.

Who are these people? The mentally ill, the disabled? We are discussing hungry children and you brought sterilisation into it.
Is it only the working class you'd sterilise as I'm struggling to see exactly who'd you sterilise, will it be just the women or both in the relationship.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You have a bad habit of not reading and digesting what I post. I asked him a question, I never made an accusation.

Why ask the question at all, why not ask for his experiences, he probably has experience of both sides, you only asked about the bad, he probably has seen honest decent people doing the right thing, but that's no good as it won't support your point of view.

 

[SocketRocket]

When I was young we were poor as we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us!

I take it this is pointed at my post. If you think my father being severely disabled fighting for his country a subject for derision then you really need to take some of your own medicine mate. I'm out of this thread as it's not going anywhere sensible now.

 

[user2010]

Or you could answer were you think the barbaric act of forced sterilisation fits into a modern society!

Take a look at the Jeremy Kyle Show of a morning.

 

[guest100718]

I take it this is pointed at my post. If you think my father being severely disabled fighting for his country a subject for derision then you really need to take some of your own medicine mate.

wooooooooossssshhhhh

 

[richy]

Great post, right until your bracketed sentence. Can you see the poor from up there on that very high horse? But to satisfy your stereotyping, I grew up in the roughest part of Middlesbrough. I remember what it was like, reinforced by lots of charity work every single month in areas like that across the UK.

What things do you do for the poor, other than give sermons from on high?

That last bit wasn't 100% serious. I'm hardly on my high horse, am I?

Do you really want to know the things me and my family do for the poor? Or were you just trying to be clever?

 

[richy]

That's reactionary twaddle if you dont think there is a problem with this. You seem to have missed the parts where posters have sympathy for the genuine case and your professional feeling of offence somehow seems to sit you very high up on your horse.

I'm not offended in the slightest. And again how am I on my high horse?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

...Isn't going to be sorted by redirecting overseas aid budget to UK internal issues.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Honestly, I don't believe that. There will be some genuine cases but many will be pure bad parenting.

Doesn't change fact that the children are hungry

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

My thoughts exactly. No matter how you slice and dice it is not the kids fault. And they are the ones that are suffering.

And though i haven't yet through the posts on this topic it's no surprise to see on a quick glance of last couple of pages the usual suspects dismissing and scornful as liberal snowflakes
any who express sympathy or understanding of the difficulties of being poor in today's society.

 

[Norrin Radd]

When I was young we were poor as we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us!

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wow breakfast in bed every morning.you must have been very rich.

right the jokes out of the way .
re foodbanks .
it seems that a lot of people think that you get access to food beanks whenever you need them ,short answer ,NO YOU DONT.
During my time injured and off work and only getting ssp as an income i was allowed a visit to a food bank ,talking to those that run it i asked how often you are allowed access to them ,the reply was you only get reccomended by an outside organisation such a dwp or health visitor. you arent given carte blanche access to them.
maybe once a month is all you would get.
as for the figure of 3 million ,i think plucking figures out of the air is what has brought that to the table . as said there are 12 million kids in the country and a quarter are going hungry .i dont think so .
im not saying kids arent hungry ,and im not pointing any fingers as to who is to blame but the figures to my mind are very distorted.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Absolutely. I've tried 6 times to write a reply to this thread but deleted them- The level of narrow mindedness is staggering.

This is a forum where opinions are valid, even if not informed by personal experience. But as someone who has worked intensively with families brought to their knees by poverty I'm quite upset by the level of utter crap that's been spouted by some on here.

Spot on sir - someone once said - let us who is without sin cast the first stone

 

[ColchesterFC]

And though i haven't yet through the posts on this topic it's no surprise to see on a quick glance of last couple of pages the usual suspects dismissing and scornful as liberal snowflakes
any who express sympathy or understanding of the difficulties of being poor in today's society.

And also no surprise to see those on the left dismissing those with opposing views or those questioning the validity of the article as right wing bigots or Daily Mail readers. It reminds me of the Blair years when anyone that dared to question the levels of immigration was labelled as racist. I don't think anyone has suggested that all of the parents of these hungry children are wasting their money on booze and tags but a significant number do.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And also no surprise to see those on the left dismissing those with opposing views or those questioning the validity of the article as right wing bigots or Daily Mail readers. It reminds me of the Blair years when anyone that dared to question the levels of immigration was labelled as racist. I don't think anyone has suggested that all of the parents of these hungry children are wasting their money on booze and tags but a significant number do.

Up until the last 5 words you posted as I don't know how you can justify that sentence, I agree.

This isn't a Cameron made problem or a Blair made problem, successive Governments over 30-40 years have failed some elements of our Society and failed to address the problems, what we've ended up with is extremes of opinion.

There are good and bad people in all levels of society and until we get past the scaremongering and sensational headlines and get a true picture of the issues we'll just keep running round in circles.

 

[virtuocity]

And also no surprise to see those on the left dismissing those with opposing views or those questioning the validity of the article as right wing bigots or Daily Mail readers. It reminds me of the Blair years when anyone that dared to question the levels of immigration was labelled as racist. I don't think anyone has suggested that all of the parents of these hungry children are wasting their money on booze and tags but a significant number do.

When you use the word 'significant' in relation to numbers are you talking about being statistically significant or 'if one family did this then that's one too many' type of significant?

 

[FairwayDodger]

And also no surprise to see those on the left dismissing those with opposing views or those questioning the validity of the article as right wing bigots or Daily Mail readers. It reminds me of the Blair years when anyone that dared to question the levels of immigration was labelled as racist. I don't think anyone has suggested that all of the parents of these hungry children are wasting their money on booze and tags but a significant number do.

What's no surprise is that certain people, who tend to have right wing views, choose to ignore the plight of millions of people suffering through poverty and instead fixate on those that are supposedly milking the system.

 

[ColchesterFC]

When you use the word 'significant' in relation to numbers are you talking about being statistically significant or 'if one family did this then that's one too many' type of significant?

To my mind even 10% of parents spending money on cigarettes or alcohol instead of on feeding their kids properly would be a significant number, and I would hazard a guess that the actual figure would be higher than this. I worked in job centres for several years and would estimate that at least 75% of the people I dealt with smoked. Obviously not all of these will be prioritising fags over food but statistically a reasonable number will be if there are 3 million hungry kids in the country.

There are many genuine cases where families need help and of course this should be provided but it is equally necessary to educate those feckless parents who feel entitled to their lifestyle choices while neglecting the needs of their children. And to dismiss those that raise this point as bigoted or Daily Mail readers does nothing to help the debate.