SocketRocket
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They're not my offspring. I raised mine with different standards.
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3,000,000 Hungry Kids in the UK
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Sweep
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Whilst I guess we all like to think of ourselves as decent people who would bring up our children well, there can be no doubt that there are some very poorly brought up children these days. However, just because some bad parents are the same age as us does not make us responsible for their failures.
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I'm sure every parent had the same intention, it's still our generation though.
Sweep
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No nukes is fine as long as you know someone who has them will protect you. Having them and being under the protection of NATO and the US saved us from communism. If we are talking about starvation, that particular political movement doesn't have the best record.
Dasit
Tour Rookie
Since when do all parents have their kids best intentions in mind.
Plenty of parents prioritise booze and drugs over their kids.
A loaf of bread is 10p in Supermarkets in the evenings, no reason a parent can't buy that for their kids if they are hungry. Just pure bad parenting, typical Guardian playing blame games, total rag of a paper.
Plenty of parents prioritise booze and drugs over their kids.
A loaf of bread is 10p in Supermarkets in the evenings, no reason a parent can't buy that for their kids if they are hungry. Just pure bad parenting, typical Guardian playing blame games, total rag of a paper.
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Deleted member 16999
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I agree, my question is, when or how as a society have we allowed this to happen?
I accept we'll always have people who will be selfish or clueless, it just appears to have got worse over the last few decades.
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Yes.
Sweep
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Because, sadly, society is not such a big thing nowadays.
In the late 1950's 2 brothers local to me tragically lost both parents in an accident. Both were taken in by neighbours who brought them up. No-one thought any of this was remotely unusual. Can you imagine that happening today? When I was a kid I knew everybody on my lane. 20+ houses, adults, kids, pets, I knew them all. Now you are lucky if you say hello to your next door neighbour. We used to look out for each other, now no-one cares. A child would never have gone hungry then, no matter how poor the area, indeed probably especially in poor areas. Society as it used to be, how we think of it doesn't exist anymore.
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
A big part of the problem is that we think it's the governments job to solve all these issues. We won't take responsibility for ourselves and if someone else's kid is hungry it's not our problem. It is our problem. We need to get back to taking responsibility and to looking out for each other. We need to ditch the nanny state and start to take care of ourselves and others.
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Deleted member 16999
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It's the Government of the day responsibility to at least be part of the equation to solve these issues if past Governments were partly to blame for creating them.
There's a lot of truth in various posts, and a lot of generalising.
I do quite a bit with various charities every month, including food banks.
For me, the biggest crime by far that I witness every single week is the DWP sending people to food banks because their processes are too unwieldy. The time taken between putting in a claim for support and receiving that support is a disgrace. It doesn't just impact on food. A growing number of food banks are also making payments for gas and electricity.
And then there's the utility companies putting people onto expensive pre-payment meters because they've got behind with their payments.
Yes there are poor parents but, equally, the system is letting all claimants down.
3,000,000 hungry kids in the country? Probably pretty close to be honest...
And can I just add, my youngest daughter is a teacher in an inner city school. A number of children didn't want to have the Christmas holidays off because they would be cold and hungry...
3,000,000 hungry kids in the country? Probably pretty close to be honest... and more than just hungry... poorly clothed and cold and no presents and experiencing abusive parents.
I do quite a bit with various charities every month, including food banks.
For me, the biggest crime by far that I witness every single week is the DWP sending people to food banks because their processes are too unwieldy. The time taken between putting in a claim for support and receiving that support is a disgrace. It doesn't just impact on food. A growing number of food banks are also making payments for gas and electricity.
And then there's the utility companies putting people onto expensive pre-payment meters because they've got behind with their payments.
Yes there are poor parents but, equally, the system is letting all claimants down.
3,000,000 hungry kids in the country? Probably pretty close to be honest...
And can I just add, my youngest daughter is a teacher in an inner city school. A number of children didn't want to have the Christmas holidays off because they would be cold and hungry...
3,000,000 hungry kids in the country? Probably pretty close to be honest... and more than just hungry... poorly clothed and cold and no presents and experiencing abusive parents.
Reemul
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12 million kids in the UK so 1 in 4 are always hungry.
So what the report says that all kids that qualify for school meals don't get fed in the school holidays rather than 3 mill hungry all the time (not that this is right).
How do they come up with the fact that 100% of the kids that get free school meals always go hungry in the holidays and never get fed.
Do kids get free school meals because they don't get fed from home?
My wife is a teacher in a more affluent area and says it's amazing the crap that many of her pupils bring in, it's the parents that can't be bothered with putting in any effort. then the free school meals for KS1 came in and she says the waste is terrible. Kids get the meal every day regardless of liking it or not and a large percentage either leave it or only eat some of it. We make a massive effort to ensure our kids get food they like that they will eat and there at still times when they don't eat it.
Parents have to be responsible for feeding their kids both in school term, making sure they have breakfast and tea as well as throughout the holidays. Again it seems like it has become the school's job to teach kids, feed them and look after them with before and after school clubs yet the parents don't want to make the effort or would rather have sky, iphones and booze and fags.
My point is if everyone made an effort those in need to have more focus put on them to ensure the kids get what they need instead we are all over the place having to plug holes in the system when parents should be more than capable of doing it themselves.
There will always be people who have need of help and we should be there for them but more and more it seems there are plenty that do not want to be responsible parents and their kids suffer for that. It's amazing really if you want certain pets or animals you need a license but anyone can have as many kids as they want regardless.
So what the report says that all kids that qualify for school meals don't get fed in the school holidays rather than 3 mill hungry all the time (not that this is right).
How do they come up with the fact that 100% of the kids that get free school meals always go hungry in the holidays and never get fed.
Do kids get free school meals because they don't get fed from home?
My wife is a teacher in a more affluent area and says it's amazing the crap that many of her pupils bring in, it's the parents that can't be bothered with putting in any effort. then the free school meals for KS1 came in and she says the waste is terrible. Kids get the meal every day regardless of liking it or not and a large percentage either leave it or only eat some of it. We make a massive effort to ensure our kids get food they like that they will eat and there at still times when they don't eat it.
Parents have to be responsible for feeding their kids both in school term, making sure they have breakfast and tea as well as throughout the holidays. Again it seems like it has become the school's job to teach kids, feed them and look after them with before and after school clubs yet the parents don't want to make the effort or would rather have sky, iphones and booze and fags.
My point is if everyone made an effort those in need to have more focus put on them to ensure the kids get what they need instead we are all over the place having to plug holes in the system when parents should be more than capable of doing it themselves.
There will always be people who have need of help and we should be there for them but more and more it seems there are plenty that do not want to be responsible parents and their kids suffer for that. It's amazing really if you want certain pets or animals you need a license but anyone can have as many kids as they want regardless.
pokerjoke
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Hungry kids,abused kids,bullied kids the list is long and very sad.
I don't know the answer but I will do my utmost to make sure my kids are not one of the above.
I really cant worry about other kids but you can see some that look like[cant be definite] they need to be treated better by their parents.
I don't know the answer but I will do my utmost to make sure my kids are not one of the above.
I really cant worry about other kids but you can see some that look like[cant be definite] they need to be treated better by their parents.
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Deleted member 16999
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Totally agree with your sentiments Tony.
I'm sure no one would come on here and say they've failed their kids or taught them how to abuse the system etc.
Parents are certainly not innocent in this, but I think we've got to the stage of some of these issues spanning 3-4 generations and some current parents are a product of the now grandparents and don't see some of the issues the majority find appalling.
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Spot on - total left-wing garbage from a paper that has its writers living in a fairy-tale world where everything is wonderful. Yes it is terrible there are kids in this situation in the country but you can start with the parents in most (and I stress most not all) cases.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
The Poor have always been with us and always will. I would agree the State should do something but it's not easy and if sanctions are taken against feckless parents then how will it affect the children. Many people should never have children and I suspect in many cases the kids are either by products of their lifestyles or cash machines to support their lifestyles. I really don't know the answer, it seems like some people should be steralised but that will never happen. My best solution is the food and utility voucher with proof of identity.
Delays in paying benefits is a problem, how are people expected to wait 6/8 weeks without money. There has to be a better system than what we have now.
The Evertonian
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Yet at the same time tooth extraction for kids aged 5 is at an all time high.
i remember seeing a stat a while ago that there were 2 million single parents in the UK, that must be factor with that many, wonder what the figure was 30 or 40 years ago, not many i would imagine
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
There is something in that. There are so many Women bringing up kids on their own where the Fathers clear off and take no responsibility.
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Deleted member 16999
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Your answer is to punish or make it hard for those currently in the system, I'll ask again where were the parents parents when they were growing up, this is not something that has suddenly happened!
How about we start educating the children of today so we don't simply keep repeating the same mistakes tomorrow. Yes we need to deal with the scum of today but to talk about sterilisation is disgusting.
