2019 Cricket

[funkycoldmedina]

But it’s not like they can’t get strides in to archer or starc when they’re bowling 95 mph
I’d like to see how fast it would have to get before the best batsmen in the world struggled to see it and play a shot

An ex test batsmen once told me he'd picked the length of the delivery up in the first foot or so of the ball leaving the bowlers hand so he was going back or forward based on that and the line then dictated the shot. Total revelation to me as someone who had just lent on his bat and watched it off the pitch

 

[Piece]

An ex test batsmen once told me he'd picked the length of the delivery up in the first foot or so of the ball leaving the bowlers hand so he was going back or forward based on that and the line then dictated the shot. Total revelation to me as someone who had just lent on his bat and watched it off the pitch

And that’s the key, picking up the length early and then playing the right shot for that length. With express pace you play with your instinct and talent. If you commit to the wrong shot or guess, then you look stupid! Facing real fast bowling was something you got used to but certainly at the start if you weren’t used to it, it would catch you out.

I’ll also backup you guys in facing dibbly dobblers...one guy was my nemesis as he bowled off the wrong foot at trundler pace....I just couldn’t pick the ball clearly!

 

[TheDiablo]

I opened as well and preferred a proper quick, within reason, and hated the dibbly dobbler nagging length type bowler. Guaranteed to hole out or head to go up and get clean bowled with only the bails falling off because they're that bloody slow

I was that bowler! On first change, quicks are moaning cos the batsmen have played and missed 10 times and the slips dropped 3. I come on, eyes light up and either a bowled or mistimed chip up of to mid-off. Nearly every week!

 

[Mudball]

While we speak a lot about the batsman's reaction to a Bret Lee-esq delivery. Spare a thought for the guys in the slips who have to latch onto a missile with their bare hands. Even worse in the gully when the batsman has slashed it. Little wonder everyone seems to be taping up

 

[HomerJSimpson]

While we speak a lot about the batsman's reaction to a Bret Lee-esq delivery. Spare a thought for the guys in the slips who have to latch onto a missile with their bare hands. Even worse in the gully when the batsman has slashed it. Little wonder everyone seems to be taping up

Can't remember the number but Sky did a focus on reaction time in the slips of the quicks and it was scarily quick. Given the pace of the ball coming off the bat too I am surprised just how cleanly they take it more often of not and how few bad finger injuries there are

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/cricket/52838504?__twitter_impression=true

Some interesting names in there but good to see a very spread for the counties

 

[fundy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/cricket/52838504?__twitter_impression=true

Some interesting names in there but good to see a very spread for the counties

how long is too long in the case of Alex Hales?

think hes an idiot but surely hes served his time by now

 

[Deleted member 15344]

how long is too long in the case of Alex Hales?

think hes an idiot but surely hes served his time by now

I think the message is he is done now as an international player - as you say he is an idiot but not many better as a ODI player , not sure why at times England appear not to give second chances

 

[fundy]

I think the message is he is done now as an international player - as you say he is an idiot but not many better as a ODI player , not sure why at times England appear not to give second chances

oh its very person selective thats for sure, not as if as a set up theyve forced out gifted batsmen before is it lol

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I think the message is he is done now as an international player - as you say he is an idiot but not many better as a ODI player , not sure why at times England appear not to give second chances

How do we know he is not on his 3rd or 4th chance? I genuinely don't know but the impression I got at the time he was sent home is that he has been warned previously and so he was not on his second chance, it was further down the line than that.

At the end of the day the England team is a very professional set up, there are other options now. If you mess up the chances of getting back in are much reduced. No one else to blame on this.

 

[fundy]

How do we know he is not on his 3rd or 4th chance? I genuinely don't know but the impression I got at the time he was sent home is that he has been warned previously and so he was not on his second chance, it was further down the line than that.

At the end of the day the England team is a very cliquey set up, there are other options now. If youre face doesnt fit the chances of getting back in are much reduced. No one else to blame on this.

edited that for you

 

[Lord Tyrion]

edited that for you

Ha ha. Possibly so. Then again, maybe that team is settled and they don't need someone disrupting how they operate? After all, the England One Day team is a very slick and successful team. Why put up with a player who disrupts if they can win without them? I know that you play cricket, or have, so you know that team harmony is important.

 

[fundy]

Ha ha. Possibly so. Then again, maybe that team is settled and they don't need someone disrupting how they operate? After all, the England One Day team is a very slick and successful team. Why put up with a player who disrupts if they can win without them? I know that you play cricket, or have, so you know that team harmony is important.

its important but massively overrated compared to picking your best players imo, and reflects as poorly on the coach/captain as the individual that they are unable to manage it better, still far too many faces fit selections rather than best player selections from England over the years and recently

 

[Lord Tyrion]

its important but massively overrated compared to picking your best players imo, and reflects as poorly on the coach/captain as the individual that they are unable to manage it better, still far too many faces fit selections rather than best player selections from England over the years and recently

I think that is a hard one to judge from outside the dressing room. Only those inside know how much that type of player has been managed, looked after, bent over for. Even for the best there comes a point where it is to the detriment of the team and at that point they have to go. It may be that the coach and captain have done a great job to even get him to the point he reached.

Faces fitting has always been an issue, certain counties prioritised. Let's face it, you have a much better chance of getting a game if you are at Surrey than Glos for example, always has been the case.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

oh its very person selective thats for sure, not as if as a set up theyve forced out gifted batsmen before is it lol

He's about as popular as coronavirus with many of the squad.

Very talented but, rather like KP before him, if you can succeed without him why put up with the disruption.

After all it's not as if we didn't win the World Cup anyway.

 

[fundy]

He's about as popular as coronavirus with many of the squad.

Very talented but, rather like KP before him, if you can succeed without him why put up with the disruption.

After all it's not as if we didn't win the World Cup anyway.

not going over the KP situation again lol

lets not forget England were very fortunate to win the world cup, maybe theyd have won at a canter if they picked their best side

 

[Deleted member 18588]

not going over the KP situation again lol

lets not forget England were very fortunate to win the world cup, maybe theyd have won at a canter if they picked their best side

And maybe they would have lost or not even reached the final due to the presence of a ?end in the dressing room.

Who knows?

 

[Tongo]

My take on the Hales situation:

1.) England winning the World Cup means they can comment from a position of strength. Had they not won the WC then more questions may be asked about Hales' absence.
2.) Morgan's sanctimony over the whole saga is rather nauseous. Players such as Shane Warne and Ian Botham have returned to their respective teams in the past after drugs issues after all.
3.) Whatever the actual truth about the Stokes saga, the rapid return of him to the team afterward does make the reaction to Hales rather hypocritical.
4.) England may be the world champs at 50 over cricket but they are mediocre at T20 cricket which is where Hales will be missed most. In that respect they are the reverse of the West Indies.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

My take on the Hales situation:

1.) England winning the World Cup means they can comment from a position of strength. Had they not won the WC then more questions may be asked about Hales' absence.
2.) Morgan's sanctimony over the whole saga is rather nauseous. Players such as Shane Warne and Ian Botham have returned to their respective teams in the past after drugs issues after all.
3.) Whatever the actual truth about the Stokes saga, the rapid return of him to the team afterward does make the reaction to Hales rather hypocritical.
4.) England may be the world champs at 50 over cricket but they are mediocre at T20 cricket which is where Hales will be missed most. In that respect they are the reverse of the West Indies.

An old adage in sports:-

"You don't have to like your teammates, but you do have to be able to trust them."

 

[HomerJSimpson]

My take on the Hales situation:

1.) England winning the World Cup means they can comment from a position of strength. Had they not won the WC then more questions may be asked about Hales' absence.
2.) Morgan's sanctimony over the whole saga is rather nauseous. Players such as Shane Warne and Ian Botham have returned to their respective teams in the past after drugs issues after all.
3.) Whatever the actual truth about the Stokes saga, the rapid return of him to the team afterward does make the reaction to Hales rather hypocritical.
4.) England may be the world champs at 50 over cricket but they are mediocre at T20 cricket which is where Hales will be missed most. In that respect they are the reverse of the West Indies.

Think you're pretty accurate for the first three points but I am not 100% sure of the last, I do think Hales offers something in T20 but would one man really make the difference to a mediocre (think we're a tad better than that) side or are there other issues as well that need sorting to get a functional and balanced side