Worlds gone mad

Dasit said:
I do wonder what the end goal for all this political correctness is.

Is the country becoming a better place for it?

I actually find the most bigoted and prejudice people are those who push political correctness and liberal views in general.

Anyone who listened to Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 yesterday, there was a great discussion.

I found the lady who argued for banning walk on girls was unreasonable, demeaning and just general nasty person.

The walk on girl herself was well spoken, put her case for doing what she does very well and came across great in general.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09p9s5s

From 1.50 onward is the discussion
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More equality, increased tolerance and respect for all?

As for the country becoming a better place then I suppose your viewpoint will depend a lot on your experiences and your values.
 
I do wonder why political correctness has got a bad name? If someone said treated with fairness or equality or justice we'd all clap. Its the same thing, surely?
And if someone was offended on someone else's behalf are they not leaping to someone's defence?

Yes, there are some fine lines between offended on someone else's behalf and positive discrimination but sometimes that line may well have to be crossed.
 
If Political Correctness means that I must think twice before saying something that may be inappropriate or that might offend or upset someone - then all well and good - I need that moment reflection on whether I have to express my feelings or opinion in quite the way I was going to.
 
Hobbit said:
I do wonder why political correctness has got a bad name? If someone said treated with fairness or equality or justice we'd all clap. Its the same thing, surely?
And if someone was offended on someone else's behalf are they not leaping to someone's defence?

Yes, there are some fine lines between offended on someone else's behalf and positive discrimination but sometimes that line may well have to be crossed.
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
If Political Correctness means that I must think twice before saying something that may be inappropriate or that might offend or upset someone - then all well and good - I need that moment reflection on whether I have to express my feelings or opinion in quite the way I was going to.
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I think it's more than that though. To me the PC crowd seems to be more about searching for, and finding any way possible that someone, somewhere 'may' be offended and therefore jumping all over what you've just said or done in order to have the moral high ground, or to belittle you. Therefore becoming even more Un-PC than you ever were in the first place!
A lot of the problem also appears to be context. If you were to write down some of the things you do everyday and then have some SJW go over it in black and white, they would probably want to lock you up.
They just can't seem to apply a common sense outlook to the real world as opposed to their Utopian ideals.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
If Political Correctness means that I must think twice before saying something that may be inappropriate or that might offend or upset someone -
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I completely agree with your view about thinking about the feelings of others, it's only good manners. BUT, it is now impossible to legislate for what offends these days, or "might" offend someone. Added to that, there are legions of idiots sitting around waiting to be offended.

I wouldn't go an watch darts of you paid me. I don't see the need for walk on girls, or boys... but, Hobbit hit the nail on the head.... Being offended on someone else's behalf not offence, it is one person imposing their view on another. (which is what they are claiming is wrong) Ironic eh?
 
Forty or so years back there was a proper old kerfuffle when girls started wanting to go topless on our beaches... It was quite the norm elsewhere in Europe with them being a whole lot more relaxed about the female form... Eventually, after a while, common sense prevailed and ladies could go topless without fear of causing a stir... Now it looks like we're looking at turning the clocks back in our outlook...
 
MegaSteve said:
Forty or so years back there was a proper old kerfuffle when girls started wanting to go topless on our beaches... It was quite the norm elsewhere in Europe with them being a whole lot more relaxed about the female form... Eventually, after a while, common sense prevailed and ladies could go topless without fear of causing a stir... Now it looks like we're looking at turning the clocks back in our outlook...
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This is the second post on this thread that draws comparisons with what women wear to the beach but it is irrelevant to the debate.
 
Lazkir said:
I think it's more than that though. To me the PC crowd seems to be more about searching for, and finding any way possible that someone, somewhere 'may' be offended and therefore jumping all over what you've just said or done in order to have the moral high ground, or to belittle you. Therefore becoming even more Un-PC than you ever were in the first place!
A lot of the problem also appears to be context. If you were to write down some of the things you do everyday and then have some SJW go over it in black and white, they would probably want to lock you up.
They just can't seem to apply a common sense outlook to the real world as opposed to their Utopian ideals.
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You are right about context. Some people, egged on by the media, look to be offended. And some people, again egged on by other parts of the media whose job it is to keep their readers angry, claim any change is due to changing values in society is PC gone mad.

Some people get too offended, some people resist any change, hopefully societal values will evolve somwhere in the middle. Although as society is increasingly polarising, that seems more doubtful by the day.
 
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MegaSteve said:
Forty or so years back there was a proper old kerfuffle when girls started wanting to go topless on our beaches... It was quite the norm elsewhere in Europe with them being a whole lot more relaxed about the female form... Eventually, after a while, common sense prevailed and ladies could go topless without fear of causing a stir... Now it looks like we're looking at turning the clocks back in our outlook...
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No one is trying to stop women going topless on beaches.
 
IanM said:
I completely agree with your view about thinking about the feelings of others, it's only good manners. BUT, it is now impossible to legislate for what offends these days, or "might" offend someone. Added to that, there are legions of idiots sitting around waiting to be offended.

I wouldn't go an watch darts of you paid me. I don't see the need for walk on girls, or boys... but, Hobbit hit the nail on the head.... Being offended on someone else's behalf not offence, it is one person imposing their view on another. (which is what they are claiming is wrong) Ironic eh?
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If I say something and someone is offended - I will not argue - I will apologise and determine to not say it again. In my limited experience of 'getting it badly wrong' on reflection I find that I need not have said what I said in the way I said it. But where it was honestly not at all obvious to me that I might offend or upset someone with what I have said - then I simply learn from the experience. I have never found a situation where I could not have used different language to express the same thing.
 
Precisely Mr Hogan...... It is the right thing to do...

This thread concerns something that some people find offensive and so do not. Therein lies the difficulty. Some people (men and women) will find some jobs/activities perfectly acceptable to themselves and will do them because that it their choice. Some other people find that role offensive/demeaning etc etc and want it banned.

And at some point at the margin, whose personal choice overrides someone else's... that's the issue to me.
 
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