Good point. His snide digs after being pulled for swearing are quite immature and smack of double standards?
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Good point. His snide digs after being pulled for swearing are quite immature and smack of double standards?
Beezerk
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I guess it would be absolutely fine. Look at Graham Norton every Saturday night, making sexual innuendo jokes about other fellas all the time, all perfectly acceptable and no one blinks an eyelid. They'll be banning those Diet Coke adverts next with the hunky window cleaner ffs
They'll be banning those Diet Coke adverts next with the hunky window cleaner ffs
That's me out of a job then...
Robster59
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Here you go
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User20205
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I’m very much on the fence (cop out 
) but it is worth remembering that it hasn’t been banned, no one is banning anything.
I do think that if it’s a choice and if it’s in context, it’s ok. The darts is in context......but also part of me thinks that if it does reinforce a stereotype and does potentially narrow the horizon of someone’s aspiration then it can be questioned.
The darts governing body obviously believe it to be at odds with where they want their image to be.
I also believe we run the risk of potentially making society really sanitised & beige
) but it is worth remembering that it hasn’t been banned, no one is banning anything. I do think that if it’s a choice and if it’s in context, it’s ok. The darts is in context......but also part of me thinks that if it does reinforce a stereotype and does potentially narrow the horizon of someone’s aspiration then it can be questioned.
The darts governing body obviously believe it to be at odds with where they want their image to be.
I also believe we run the risk of potentially making society really sanitised & beige
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I don't see a need for it.
But, I also don't understand how it can "narrow the horizon of someone’s aspiration." if that were the case, every bloomin reality TV Show, Talent(less) Contest and the entire programming output of E4 should be banned!
But, I also don't understand how it can "narrow the horizon of someone’s aspiration." if that were the case, every bloomin reality TV Show, Talent(less) Contest and the entire programming output of E4 should be banned!
Robster59
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Is that such a bad thing? :ears:
Robster has a point there
They have just had a talk on R2 about this. It softened my stance a little. The lady talking about it, she was one of the Walk On women, talked about it as just another modelling job. When you think of it like that, is it any different to other modelling? Interesting one.
They have just had a talk on R2 about this. It softened my stance a little. The lady talking about it, she was one of the Walk On women, talked about it as just another modelling job. When you think of it like that, is it any different to other modelling? Interesting one.
I’m very much on the fence (cop out
I do think that if it’s a choice and if it’s in context, it’s ok. The darts is in context......but also part of me thinks that if it does reinforce a stereotype and does potentially narrow the horizon of someone’s aspiration then it can be questioned.
The darts governing body obviously believe it to be at odds with where they want their image to be.
I also believe we run the risk of potentially making society really sanitised & beige
I’d be very surprised if it’s darts decision. Or at least one made for morale reasons. Maybe a tactical one thinking it’ll gain them ,ore sponsorhip or support from sky. But I doubt very much that they really think “we better do something for these poor womenâ€.....
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Precisely.
And anyway.... when they have the Womens' Comp at Lakeside, do they walk on with Women, or half dressed men? (Please say, as I don't watch darts)
And anyway.... when they have the Womens' Comp at Lakeside, do they walk on with Women, or half dressed men? (Please say, as I don't watch darts)
MegaSteve
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Well, the darts folk would get a whole lot more respect from me...
If they dropped sponsorship from on-line betting companies...
If they dropped sponsorship from on-line betting companies...
User20205
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Yep, that’s a valid point. Agree with papas also, it’s probably sponsor driven. Bring back Embassy!!!!
They’re not even in their pants, the one I saw had a frock on. It’s PC gone mad! Maybe we should have gender ambiguous walk on people?
Hacker Khan
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I suspect you meant to use 'hypocritical' instead of 'narrow minded'. And it is the context in which womens bits are seen that is important. The 'oh you banned this, what next....' is one used a lot by the media to get people worked up/angry/afraid, but rarely stands up to logical scrutiny.
Not 100% sure why swearing is equated with my views on a society which perpetuates the image of women needing to be attractive to be popular. We have all become desensitised to it as it is so constant, it is in every paper, most advertising, a lot of music and other popular art forms. There is nothing wrong with women or men using their looks to advance themselves and best of luck to them. It is just the constant bombardment of this and the virtual lack of any 'non hot' aspiration role models for young girls that I find depressing.
I'd hope that just because I find it vaguely sad/ironic that I could not even use a word that was in a 12a film I took my daughter to see yesterday as it is classed on here to be offensive, or words that are in The Times on a regular basis, or words that Ed Milliband uses in podcasts, does not mean I can express my worry on the type of society we seem to be bringing our children up in. People are full of contradictions anyway. But what I do is shield my daughter as much as possible from bad language, but know full well that she probably hears most of it in the school yard. Where as it is impossible to shield kids from the the proliferation of women being judged on their looks.
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Hacker Khan
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As I posted earlier, it was led by the broadcasting companies as they want to change the image of the sport, no doubt to get more people watching/subscribers etc.
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It seems to me that, outside of major mixed "events" such as the Olympics etc, if you are watching sport on prime time TV you are more likely to see women presented as eye candy than competitors. That can't be a good thing.
Sweep
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Is there a reason why darts is not a mixed sport? Genuine question.
Would it make any difference to this issue if it was?
I had this discussion with someone the other day. No reason why women are not playing either darts or snooker to the same level as men. No strength or speed issues to deal with.
Reality is at the moment it is not mixed because there are no women good enough to compete.
Sweep
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Actually the Olympics is a good example. Why is it always women who present the winning athletes with flowers (albeit usually dressed in national dress or similar). As the winning men seem to get flowers these days too, it can’t be that flowers are seen as feminine.
Maybe there is a case for a wholesale clear out of unnecessary people at sporting events? Or would that impact negatively on the razzmatazz?
Slime
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Couldn't agree more.
Couldn't agree less.
What about the girls' point of view and their impending loss of income?
Doon frae Troon
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Shame really, I used to enjoy watching Bill Wobblyneck quaffing 10 pints of lager and staggering around the snooker table.
The good ol days eh.
