World Handicap System (WHS)

[rulefan]

I can't, but think the R&A and EG calculator give out a rounded CH.
I think I read somewhere that there was some uncertainty in Scotland.

G6.2a Playing Handicap Calculation.
For some National Associations, it is recommended for practical application that the Course Handicap used in the Playing Handicap calculation is the rounded integer value and not the full calculated CH value, as this is not accessible to the player without access to the complete calculation. This application will be consistent across all competition formats including 9-hole and multi- tee events. Compared to using the full calculated CH value, this recommendation will only affect the outcome of the competition results, having no effect on the outcome of the calculation of the players handicap.

For other National Associations, the Course Handicap used in the Playing Handicap calculation will be the full calculated CH value, as it is expected that the player will always have ready access to an App or other software to generate the Course Handicap rather than be expected to perform the Playing Handicap calculation themselves.

Committees and players should follow the advice of their National Association in the use of the integer or full calculated Course Handicap in the calculation of the Playing Handicap.

For GB&I, England, Wales and Ireland will be using the Rounded Course Handicap, whilst Scotland will be using the full calculated Course Handicap.

 

[jim8flog]

Some help please regarding the calculation of PH please.

Under current restrictions we have a role up Tee Booking Stableford on Saturday so players will need to fill out their card rather than rely on the pr-printed card.

I have communicated that they only need to have the the CH on the card but many will want to know their PH for the comp so they can keep a tally of their points.

So I want to give them reminder how to the calculate this and ie HI x (Slope/Std Slope) = CH x 95% = PH but I am sure I have read in one of the Handicap Rules Book that that the rounding occurs ONLY when you calculate the PH not when you calculate the CH and then again when your PH.

Am I correct that rounding is only used after calculating the PH and if I am can you point me in the direction of the R&R or CONGU rule

Thanks

Rounding is used in after the calculation of the Course Handicap (it is the figure on the Charts where you are playing ) unless you are playing in Scotland and is rounded again after the calculation of 95%

See rulefan's post for the relevant rule

 

[rulefan]

Rounding is used in after the calculation of the Course Handicap (it is the figure on the Charts where you are playing ) unless you are playing in Scotland and is rounded again after the calculation of 95%

See rulefan's post for the relevant rule

I'm not sure that what you wrote above is what you actually meant.

 

[jim8flog]

I'm not sure that what you wrote above is what you actually meant.

Multiplying a whole number by 95% will produce an answer which will have a decimal point, this is then rounded to the nearest whole number.

Are you understanding that in a different way?

 

[rulefan]

dividing a whole number by 95% will produce an answer which will have a decimal point, this is then rounded to the nearest whole number.

Are you understanding that in a different way?

It was your use of the words 'rounded again'. The CH is not not rounded a second time in Scotland. It is the resultant Playing Handicap that is rounded.

The CH itself is a rounded integer and is used in all calculations involving the CH. However, the only exception is in Scotland where the unrounded figure is used to calculate the Playing Handicap.

 

[Foxholer]

dividing a whole number by 95% will produce an answer which will have a decimal point, this is then rounded to the nearest whole number.

Are you understanding that in a different way?

I believe it's multiplied by 95% (making it smaller) not 'divided by 95%'!

 

[jim8flog]

It was your use of the words 'rounded again'. The CH is not not rounded a second time in Scotland. It is the resultant Playing Handicap that is rounded.

The CH itself is a rounded integer and is used in all calculations involving the CH. However, the only exception is in Scotland where the unrounded figure is used to calculate the Playing Handicap.

I said...................unless you are playing in Scotland

 

[jim8flog]

I believe it's multiplied by 95% (making it smaller) not 'divided by 95%'!

Thanks now corrected (early morning for me and not understanding what rulefan was getting at) particularly as this was a response to a poster who lives in Somerset.

 

[apj0524]

G6.2a Playing Handicap Calculation.
For some National Associations, it is recommended for practical application that the Course Handicap used in the Playing Handicap calculation is the rounded integer value and not the full calculated CH value, as this is not accessible to the player without access to the complete calculation. This application will be consistent across all competition formats including 9-hole and multi- tee events. Compared to using the full calculated CH value, this recommendation will only affect the outcome of the competition results, having no effect on the outcome of the calculation of the players handicap.

For other National Associations, the Course Handicap used in the Playing Handicap calculation will be the full calculated CH value, as it is expected that the player will always have ready access to an App or other software to generate the Course Handicap rather than be expected to perform the Playing Handicap calculation themselves.

Committees and players should follow the advice of their National Association in the use of the integer or full calculated Course Handicap in the calculation of the Playing Handicap.

For GB&I, England, Wales and Ireland will be using the Rounded Course Handicap, whilst Scotland will be using the full calculated Course Handicap.

Thanks for the replies

 

[Wilson]

Quick question, that I can't seem to find a definitive answer for - how do I submit a score from an away course, and who do I have to notify in advance? If I was submitting a supplementary at my home course, I would notify the secretary via email, and send him the card - my current plan is to do the same, as well as ask the course if I need to tell them anything, as I can't seem to get a straight answer.

I'm hoping that going forward this can be done via the app, which would make sense.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Quick question, that I can't seem to find a definitive answer for - how do I submit a score from an away course, and who do I have to notify in advance? If I was submitting a supplementary at my home course, I would notify the secretary via email, and send him the card - my current plan is to do the same, as well as ask the course if I need to tell them anything, as I can't seem to get a straight answer.

I'm hoping that going forward this can be done via the app, which would make sense.

notify the pro shop, submit card after.

 

[Swango1980]

notify the pro shop, submit card after.

Wishful thinking. Just before lockdown, we notified the pro at the pro-shop (a course we were not members of). He didn't have a clue what the procedure was, in terms of pre-registering or how to enter our scores after.

 

[apj0524]

Quick question, that I can't seem to find a definitive answer for - how do I submit a score from an away course, and who do I have to notify in advance? If I was submitting a supplementary at my home course, I would notify the secretary via email, and send him the card - my current plan is to do the same, as well as ask the course if I need to tell them anything, as I can't seem to get a straight answer.

I'm hoping that going forward this can be done via the app, which would make sense.

I have just looked on Dot.Golf Web site and I can enter a score for one of our members who played on another course, so I would think you could either pre register with you handicap team or pro shop, score and have card verified by your marker then hand it into the pro or handicap team at you club for entry onto the Dot.Golf web site. That is what we are planning to do, but have not tested the process yet

 

[2blue]

Quick question, that I can't seem to find a definitive answer for - how do I submit a score from an away course, and who do I have to notify in advance? If I was submitting a supplementary at my home course, I would notify the secretary via email, and send him the card - my current plan is to do the same, as well as ask the course if I need to tell them anything, as I can't seem to get a straight answer.

I'm hoping that going forward this can be done via the app, which would make sense.

Hopefully, going forward, for both Home & Away scores, you will be able to enter your intention to play an Acceptable General Play Round & record your score on either the AWAY Club's PSI or your App, or am I just dreaming this??

 

[Jamesbrown]

Quick question, that I can't seem to find a definitive answer for - how do I submit a score from an away course, and who do I have to notify in advance? If I was submitting a supplementary at my home course, I would notify the secretary via email, and send him the card - my current plan is to do the same, as well as ask the course if I need to tell them anything, as I can't seem to get a straight answer.

I'm hoping that going forward this can be done via the app, which would make sense.

There’s an option on my IG app to add a card and there’s an option on HDID app.
Although I’ve not seen a proper procedure published. Can I just add a round on my app? Who knows?
I am going to give it a whirl next week. But if my handicap chap has a say in anything any extra cards put in means you are cheating

 

[Old Skier]

Quick question, that I can't seem to find a definitive answer for - how do I submit a score from an away course, and who do I have to notify in advance? If I was submitting a supplementary at my home course, I would notify the secretary via email, and send him the card - my current plan is to do the same, as well as ask the course if I need to tell them anything, as I can't seem to get a straight answer.

I'm hoping that going forward this can be done via the app, which would make sense.

Register at visiting club, take card back to home club as they have the facility to enter scores at other courses via the EG dashboard

 

[2blue]

Register at visiting club, take card back to home club as they have the facility to enter scores at other courses via the EG dashboard

I guess it won't be all H/cap Secretaries or Teams that will appreciate the extra work created by this, especially as the score needs to be recorded that day before mid-night as there may well be a resulting H/cap change that is not easy for the player to anticipate should they be playing in a Comp the following day. It should be the player's responsibility to submit the score that day or I doubt it will be done in retrospect as it could have an effect on Comp results etc..... or am I reading this wrongly??

 

[Old Skier]

I guess it won't be all H/cap Secretaries or Teams that will appreciate the extra work created by this, especially as the score needs to be recorded that day before mid-night as there may well be a resulting H/cap change that is not easy for the player to anticipate should they be playing in a Comp the following day. It should be the player's responsibility to submit the score that day or I doubt it will be done in retrospect as it could have an effect on Comp results etc..... or am I reading this wrongly??

Im telling our members to ask the pro shop to initial card before they go out and phot the card and sent it to me. Not ideal and don’t expect many to bother for now and hopefully the apps will allow for this in the future.

 

[jim8flog]

I guess it won't be all H/cap Secretaries or Teams that will appreciate the extra work created by this, especially as the score needs to be recorded that day before mid-night as there may well be a resulting H/cap change that is not easy for the player to anticipate should they be playing in a Comp the following day. It should be the player's responsibility to submit the score that day or I doubt it will be done in retrospect as it could have an effect on Comp results etc..... or am I reading this wrongly??

With the WHS a player plays according to the Handicap Index on his record the day of the comp. All changes are processed by 12.01 am and if the has not been recorded by then it is irrelevant for that days comp.

All players should simply get in to the habit of checking there H.I. on the day of play.

 

[jim8flog]

But if my handicap chap has a say in anything any extra cards put in means you are cheating

Looks like his attitude needs to change. We actively encourage players to put in as many cards as possible to ensure the H.I. meets current ability.