World Handicap System (WHS)

[upsidedown]

Possibly, but does that mean it is useful and informative? Perhaps it has been wrong all along. The 50 and 100 score graphs are even more misaligned.

When we moved to NZ it did seem strange but we soon got used to it, even in 2007 there were so more advanced than EG are today . We would turn up to play and input out membership number into the terminal and your card was printed with your playing handicap on it an holes where you got shot s marked

 

[Mozza14]

When we moved to NZ it did seem strange but we soon got used to it, even in 2007 there were so more advanced than EG are today . We would turn up to play and input out membership number into the terminal and your card was printed with your playing handicap on it an holes where you got shot s marked

Yes that would be a smart facility. On the graphs and table of Scores and Handicap Indexes, I am not inclined to get used to something which is not informative and basically incorrect.

 

[jim8flog]

I think the green is supposed to be it... but it doesn’t look correct, unless they have a fudge factor

yeah yours should show a more upward trend if the system is tracking each event, visually I have you at 10.5-11, your high scores cause little or no fluctuations

I am actually 9.8 which agrees with my own calculations except for one score because it shown as the wrong course.

 

[jim8flog]

No fudge factor, it doesn't display the final HI for anyone. It's rubbish.

As my above post #1911 my graphs shows 9.8 which is my current handicap index.

 

[Mozza14]

As my above post #1911 my graphs shows 9.8 which is my current handicap index.

It may well be the same value if you had a non counting last score. The last point on your graph is taken from the table of scores. That point is the HI played with for that round not the result.

I tried to explain this to you in the thread here but you said the additional upload would resolve the issue, which of course it didn't. https://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/threads/wghs-bugs-and-design-issues.107031/

Look at the second oldest score in your graph. A very high differential could not possibly have produced the drop in your Index that is shown. That drop was caused by the previous score in your table.

 

[balaclava]

The handicap index for 90% of the members of my club is higher than their previous Congu HC (less than 10% are lower). That must be an indication of something - what?

(The slope rating at my club is 127)

 

[balaclava]

The Course rating is not used in the calculation of handicaps - why? If it's not used in the calculation oh HC's what's it for?

 

[woofers]

The Course rating is not used in the calculation of handicaps - why? If it's not used in the calculation oh HC's what's it for?

Errr, the Course Rating is used in calculating the course Slope Rating.
It is also used in the calculation of the the score differential, which is fundamental in calculating the handicap index.
Have you researched anything on the England Golf website about WHS, there’s a lot of information to be found there.

 

[jim8flog]

It may well be the same value if you had a non counting last score. The last point on your graph is taken from the table of scores. That point is the HI played with for that round not the result.

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It would be very difficult for it to be the HI played for that round as it was played in October.

As said I have been tracking my HI all year since we came out of the first lockdown.

There are faults in my WHS which I know about because they have used the wrong course and slope caused by the rating team calling the course by another name but in the main it is so close I am not going to worry about it. One wrong score here one wrong score there by a small margin is not going to make a huge difference in my HI.

I probably play around 25-30 comps a years in normal circumstances so any problems now will soon be ironed out. E.G one of the wrong scores falls out of the 20 next time I submit a score.

 

[jim8flog]

The Course rating is not used in the calculation of handicaps - why? If it's not used in the calculation oh HC's what's it for?

The course rating is used in the calculation of the Handicap Index and any adjustment of it.

Your score for any round is compared against the course rating (as adjusted by the PCC) if the differential forms one of the 8 lowest it is then used in the best of 8 calculation.

 

[jim8flog]

The handicap index for 90% of the members of my club is higher than their previous Congu HC (less than 10% are lower). That must be an indication of something - what?

(The slope rating at my club is 127)

Probably that a lot of them do not put in enough cards to have a 'correct' handicap, a lot of players have vanity handicaps that they were trying to protect and that the UHS did not respond quickly enough to a players ability.

 

[Mozza14]

It would be very difficult for it to be the HI played for that round as it was played in October.

There are faults in my WHS which I know about because they have used the wrong course and slope caused by the rating team calling the course by another name but in the main it is so close I am not going to worry about it. One wrong score here one wrong score there by a small margin is not going to make a huge difference in my HI.

I probably play around 25-30 comps a years in normal circumstances so any problems now will soon be ironed out. E.G one of the wrong scores falls out of the 20 next time I submit a score.

You are still completely missing the point. It is nothing to do with your Index being wrong. Your Index is correct. The last HI you have, is not on the graph nor is it posted in the table against your last differential.

How do you explain that the second HI on your graph went down when you posted a differential of 20? Whatever previous score it replaced it is not possible for it to have reduced your HI.

Can somebody else try and explain please because I am going round in circles here.

 

[nickjdavis]

It does seem odd that the figure on the far right hand side of your score history is the index that you started that particular round off.

We have become so used to seeing a handicap on the left hand side of a report, then the scores, nett diiffs, adjustments and then finally the resultant handicap as the last figure, that its going to take a lot of golfers a while to get their heads round this.

Confusion will reign but then....thats normal with the WHS!!!

 

[Mozza14]

It does seem odd that the figure on the far right hand side of your score history is the index that you started that particular round off.

We have become so used to seeing a handicap on the left hand side of a report, then the scores, nett diiffs, adjustments and then finally the resultant handicap as the last figure, that its going to take a lot of golfers a while to get their heads round this.

Confusion will reign but then....thats normal with the WHS!!!

Thank you. It's basically misleading and it as Jim is illustrating it causes complete confusion. Why wouldn't you plot the final HI in the graph? Bonkers.

 

[upsidedown]

Thank you. It's basically misleading and it as Jim is illustrating it causes complete confusion. Why wouldn't you plot the final HI in the graph? Bonkers.

Conversly when we came back from NZ I found the HDID format confusing ?, it's the index under which that historical round was played under, make perfect sense to me ??.

 

[jim8flog]

You are still completely missing the point. It is nothing to do with your Index being wrong. Your Index is correct. The last HI you have, is not on the graph nor is it posted in the table against your last differential.

How do you explain that the second HI on your graph went down when you posted a differential of 20? Whatever previous score it replaced it is not possible for it to have reduced your HI.

Can somebody else try and explain please because I am going round in circles here.

Now I am completely not following you.

My Handicap Index is 9.8 as per the headline figure and the figure on IG.

My last score shows a HI of 9.8 against it. It was 9.5 before this score was posted.

Is there something going on in yours which is not happening in mine?

Personally I would treat the graph as indicative only and go by actual scores and I really could not be bothered to work out what went wrong with my HI a year ago as so much has gone wrong with transferring scores from the CDH to to the WHS.

 

[Mozza14]

Conversly when we came back from NZ I found the HDID format confusing ?, it's the index under which that historical round was played under, make perfect sense to me ??.

So for you, the purpose of the graph is to match a differential to the Handicap Index from the previous round and then to completely ignore the current figure? You can intuitively look at a very high differential and understand immediately that it isn't associated with a reduced index?

You certainly must have wonderful insight. I doubt it will be shared by most of the Country.

 

[upsidedown]

The graph for me is merely an indication of how my HI is trending, up or down.
Next time I play a qualifier or a casual round the two numbers that will have any significance are 3.1 my current HI and 74 which is my 20th score so depending on where I play I'm fairly certain any thing over 74 will result in HI going up
Having played under the system for 6 years, yes I do have a better insight than most but I'll repeat what I said a while ago, possibly before you joined the forum, when we moved to NZ we hated the system for about 3 months but then got it and embraced it.

 

[harpo_72]

You are still completely missing the point. It is nothing to do with your Index being wrong. Your Index is correct. The last HI you have, is not on the graph nor is it posted in the table against your last differential.

How do you explain that the second HI on your graph went down when you posted a differential of 20? Whatever previous score it replaced it is not possible for it to have reduced your HI.

Can somebody else try and explain please because I am going round in circles here.

Your right, but it might be a case that they just take your first best 8 scores over 20 rounds and that gives the first index and then the round you have next deletes the worst of the last batch of 8 if it’s better.. and so on. So in essence they have done it for every round ..

 

[harpo_72]

People are often saying that if your 20th score is in your top 8 and you then shoot higher than that, you will go up...
That is only potentially true if there isn't another score equal to your 20th in the last 20.

So basically look at your worst in the 8 and try and beat that