World Handicap System (WHS)

[IanMcC]

Club v1, as I understand it, will assess the count back on the same nine, not sure how you could say assessing it on different nines where the CR and/or BR could be are very different would be fairer. On the wider point though I agree with Ethan in a handicap competetion decimals would be fairer and less random in nature than count back.

I wasnt meaning countback exactly. I was meaning this:
https://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/threads/2-tee-stableford-comp-under-whs.107162/

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Wasn’t sure were to post this and didn’t want to start a new thread:

On our Club page (screenshot below) we have noticed today that the Handicap section of Master Scoreboard is currently unavailable. We queried this with Handicap Master and their response below.

“Thank you for your query about handicap Index values on Master Scoreboard.
Some golfing authorities are restricting the display of some information when it is on 3rd party websites.

This may change in the coming weeks. But the situation is still a bit unclear, so we have had to err on the side of caution to avoid possible license issues.”

Anyone else aware of this or have any idea which golfing authorities they are on about?

 

[IanM]

Is there an entry in the PCA column?

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There isnt that column on the version on my phone (Wales Golf) but that's a good thought. Checking the ipad fuller version, it doesnt say PCA, but it says PCC (plus and minus) and score diff - which makes it clearer. So that is correct...

Given that I see that scores 18 and 19 are worse than the 20th. So "roughly" I assume if I can beat the "score diff of 18,19, or 20, my HI will drop.

....and we use Masterscoreboard. All the handicap info has goen from ours too. I suspect someone is copyrighting the HI data.. "it's ours and you can't use it!"

 

[backwoodsman]

There isnt that column on the version on my phone (Wales Golf) but that's a good thought. Checking the ipad fuller version, it doesnt say PCA, but it says PCC (plus and minus) and score diff - which makes it clearer. So that is correct...

Given that I see that scores 18 and 19 are worse than the 20th. So "roughly" I assume if I can beat the "score diff of 18,19, or 20, my HI will drop.

....and we use Masterscoreboard. All the handicap info has goen from ours too. I suspect someone is copyrighting the HI data.. "it's ours and you can't use it!" [/QUOTE]

Will change only if scores 18/19/20 are part of your best 8 scores

 

[IanM]

Ooops, of course... thanks...

score 20 is in the best 8... 18 and 19 are not... So, I need to go down the list to find which is the next best "score diff" (column name) to see what the impact of my next round it. Interestingly the next best is very close, so a right shocker will only have a minor impact in my HI.. .although 17 is a really good one! eek!

Actually, with this whole thing... forget all the how's and why's. Just go and play.

 

[backwoodsman]

Ooops, of course... thanks...

score 20 is in the best 8... 18 and 19 are not... So, I need to go down the list to find which is the next best "score diff" (column name) to see what the impact of my next round it. Interestingly the next best is very close, so a right shocker will only have a minor impact in my HI.. .although 17 is a really good one! eek!

Actually, with this whole thing... forget all the how's and why's. Just go and play.

So, if score 20 is in the best 8, then if your next game is a better score than score 20, HI will go down, if it's worse it will go up. By how much depends on whether the new score is in the best 8, or or whether one of the other 19 takes 8th place

Ps: yes, just go & play (when you can) - you can check the new numbers the day after.

 

[IanM]

Yep..which is what I was say.... anyway, bit of a break as we don’t do qualifiers in the winter and our course reopens on Monday.

interestingly, just showed this to my wife who is a member at a different course. Ladies committee have suspended use of whs as there are lots of errors in their info.. congu till further notice apparently. Waiting to find out exactly what’s up and if blokes are impacted.

 

[harpo_72]

So how have they got to a 10 index? They must be counting the non-counting scores (if you can see the graph below)

 

[Golfie]

Anyone tried the friend function on EG yet. Strangely my index which I actually think is right is different when looked at on friend’s EG page. Same platform two different indexes, something’s not right.

 

[BubbaP]

Wasn’t sure were to post this and didn’t want to start a new thread:

On our Club page (screenshot below) we have noticed today that the Handicap section of Master Scoreboard is currently unavailable. We queried this with Handicap Master and their response below.

“Thank you for your query about handicap Index values on Master Scoreboard.
Some golfing authorities are restricting the display of some information when it is on 3rd party websites.

This may change in the coming weeks. But the situation is still a bit unclear, so we have had to err on the side of caution to avoid possible license issues.”

Anyone else aware of this or have any idea which golfing authorities they are on about?

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I was thinking the other day that to keep "one version of the truth" I could see EG or whoever not wanting static indexes being held elsewhere.
But systems like the above did allow you to check handicaps for whoever you were about to play in the knockout.
Might end up showing each other phone displays on the 1st tee!

 

[Old Skier]

I was thinking the other day that to keep "one version of the truth" I could see EG or whoever not wanting static indexes being held elsewhere.
But systems like the above did allow you to check handicaps for whoever you were about to play in the knockout.
Might end up showing each other phone displays on the 1st tee!

Not sure I fully understand, nothing new, HC Index shown on HDID for V1 users

 

[jim8flog]

Wasn’t sure were to post this and didn’t want to start a new thread:

On our Club page (screenshot below) we have noticed today that the Handicap section of Master Scoreboard is currently unavailable. We queried this with Handicap Master and their response below.

“Thank you for your query about handicap Index values on Master Scoreboard.
Some golfing authorities are restricting the display of some information when it is on 3rd party websites.

This may change in the coming weeks. But the situation is still a bit unclear, so we have had to err on the side of caution to avoid possible license issues.”

Anyone else aware of this or have any idea which golfing authorities they are on about?

View attachment 33408

There is no detail on the IG platform as yet.

Just Handicap Index.

 

[BubbaP]

Not sure I fully understand, nothing new, HC Index shown on HDID for V1 users

So they may have made a different decision. Do you know if it does a lookup to EG (or wherever central is), or does it keep a copy in V1 which it has to try to keep in synch?

 

[woofers]

So how have they got to a 10 index? They must be counting the non-counting scores (if you can see the graph below)View attachment 33412

Well, 4 of the yellow dots (counting scores) are below the 10 line, (the last 2 quite significantly), and the other 4 counting aren’t miles over. I can see quite easily how the average of these 8 can be 10.

 

[harpo_72]

Well, 4 of the yellow dots (counting scores) are below the 10 line, (the last 2 quite significantly), and the other 4 counting aren’t miles over. I can see quite easily how the average of these 8 can be 10.

Yup its just an average calculation nothing special won’t change too much on the downward trend.. will see what happens when I put a few scores in.

 

[jim8flog]

So how have they got to a 10 index? They must be counting the non-counting scores (if you can see the graph below)View attachment 33412

from what I can see from that chart with the best 8 you have 4 scores about the same over 10 with roughly the same difference as the 4 scores under 10 seems like a reasonable average (without knowing the exact figures).

 

[harpo_72]

from what I can see from that chart with the best 8 you have 4 scores about the same over 10 with roughly the same difference as the 4 scores under 10 seems like a reasonable average (without knowing the exact figures).

Course difference is not captured 2 low ones are from the distance tee which moves the course index up 2 points, but they should sort that out.
The only thing I would say is the last 3 scores are not sowing much influence on the green HI line ..

 

[Robster59]

Our club has just released our new scorecards updated for the WHS

https://www.facebook.com/149281171777099/posts/3605715882800260

 

[jim8flog]

Our club has just released our new scorecards updated for the WHS

https://www.facebook.com/149281171777099/posts/3605715882800260

Immediate observations

Where does Player Cs score go

and you never play 4 ball golf there.

 

[jim8flog]

The only thing I would say is the last 3 scores are not sowing much influence on the green HI line ..

Yep that is about right it's how averaging works.