World Cup Qualifiers

[Deleted member 16999]

Dirty sly scum bag!

 

[anotherdouble]

Bit embarrassing that dive Wayne

 

[Beezerk]

Why was Walcott not picked for the Euros?
Oh aye, because he's tripe.
Looks like a replay from the other month, clueless and classless inside the box.

 

[Blue in Munich]

So we are running out of time and what does captain Rooney do? Waste even more of it arguing with a referee who will never change his mind. Well done Wayne.

 

[Piece]

Different manager, same rubbish. No skill no movement.

Errr...then some luck!!! :rofl:

 

[Pin-seeker]

Get in,nice finish from Big Sam.

 

[sawtooth]

Better to be a lucky manager than a good one?

That will do very nicely for the first game in charge.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Absolute garbage, gone backwards from the Euros and we get 3 points, you couldn't make it up :rofl: Big Sam's got a plan :rofl:

 

[full_throttle]

awful game IMO, but a win is a win

 

[anotherdouble]

awful game IMO, but a win is a win

Sums it up perfectly

 

[User20205]

Turned it off 90mins to go and watch some paint dry. Is that the arm chair version of leaving early to miss the traffic?

There's your answer Phil. What has Sam ever won? 100% record in international football!!!
We all know there's no easy games in international football anymore

 

[Blue in Munich]

And just how much success did we have under either Eriksson or Capello?

The truth of the matter is that we have very few, if any, players of true quality and have not had for many years. It is certainly not a cop-out to blame the Premier League for this as it (the PL) has become so bloated in its importance by the media, the money and then the fans that there is a demand for instant results.

The players, as a result, believe they are better than they are compared with those of supposedly lesser nations such as Wales or Iceland where the players compensate for their limitations with commitment and organisation, the latter admittedly the responsibility of the manager.

However, the England manager is hampered by the PL and the its clubs and their interests.The clubs' managers, most of whom are foreign, have no interest in the performance of the national team and are far more concerned to achieve results for their club's owners (also increasingly foreign).Thus they take the quick and easy route of recruiting established players from overseas rather than develop home grown talent. Even the much vaunted academies are increasingly developing foreign youngsters.

On any week-end the number of players starting in the PL eligible for the Home Nations is likely to be only around 30%.

As with any pyramid, if you have a narrow base you do not have a high peak.

Beat me to it. As a Chelsea fan, we have a better English centre half not playing that the one we had representing us, but I know that one's been done to death.

Question; you are manager of your team, which player or players in that squad would you take to improve your team? For me, maybe Dele Alli but no-one else strikes me as a must buy.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Beat me to it. As a Chelsea fan, we have a better English centre half not playing that the one we had representing us, but I know that one's been done to death.

Question; you are manager of your team, which player or players in that squad would you take to improve your team? For me, maybe Dele Alli but no-one else strikes me as a must buy.

Is Dele Alli actually any good?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Beat me to it. As a Chelsea fan, we have a better English centre half not playing that the one we had representing us, but I know that one's been done to death.

Question; you are manager of your team, which player or players in that squad would you take to improve your team? For me, maybe Dele Alli but no-one else strikes me as a must buy.

Nobody, keep an eye on a couple for the future, but none right now.

 

[richy]

whats most worrying about this whole thing is Sam just said Rooney had a great game

 

[Pin-seeker]

whats most worrying about this whole thing is Sam just said Rooney had a great game

Sometimes wonder what games managers are watching.

 

[Fyldewhite]

whats most worrying about this whole thing is Sam just said Rooney had a great game

He had to say that, he's his Captain but personally I think Rooney is optimistic saying he'll retire after this campaign. In truth, we bossed the game, were pretty tight at the back, bar one mistake but were (again) not too creative up front until we got the more creative players involved. The last 20 minutes could have easily been 3-0.

Direct comparison to the Hull v Man U game a couple of weeks ago. Some teams are damned hard to break down and as long as you don't lose it's an OK (if not brilliant) result. However, if Man U hadn't got the winner then Mourinho I'm pretty sure would have got nowhere near the flack Big Sam would have got if England hadn't scraped the winner today. Really pleased for him as it gets the press off his back while he gets the side playing how he wants.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And just how much success did we have under either Eriksson or Capello?

The truth of the matter is that we have very few, if any, players of true quality and have not had for many years. It is certainly not a cop-out to blame the Premier League for this as it (the PL) has become so bloated in its importance by the media, the money and then the fans that there is a demand for instant results.

The players, as a result, believe they are better than they are compared with those of supposedly lesser nations such as Wales or Iceland where the players compensate for their limitations with commitment and organisation, the latter admittedly the responsibility of the manager.

However, the England manager is hampered by the PL and the its clubs and their interests.The clubs' managers, most of whom are foreign, have no interest in the performance of the national team and are far more concerned to achieve results for their club's owners (also increasingly foreign).Thus they take the quick and easy route of recruiting established players from overseas rather than develop home grown talent. Even the much vaunted academies are increasingly developing foreign youngsters.

On any week-end the number of players starting in the PL eligible for the Home Nations is likely to be only around 30%.

As with any pyramid, if you have a narrow base you do not have a high peak.

How many players do teams like Iceland , Wales , Portugal have to pick from ?

They aren't littered with global stars but all managed to perform to get further in the tournament. Portugal won it with their one real star not really playing well

I agree that teams focus on ready made players and it's cheaper to get them from abroad but I think if you look at the Prem league there is another players to get a decent England team together and one that will get to quarters or maybe a semi which is the sort of level you expect England to be at

Even the current squad was missing two of its brightest talents - Barkley and Rashford , two players with bag of talent who can hurt teams , then you have players like Sterljng who for Man City this season has been superb and key to the way they have started.

Yes there is a lot of foreign imports into the Prem but can't see that changing but there is IMO still enough talented playing in the Prem that if managed and coached right are capable of progressing in summer tournaments

 

[Deleted member 18588]

How many players do teams like Iceland , Wales , Portugal have to pick from ?

They aren't littered with global stars but all managed to perform to get further in the tournament. Portugal won it with their one real star not really playing well

I agree that teams focus on ready made players and it's cheaper to get them from abroad but I think if you look at the Prem league there is another players to get a decent England team together and one that will get to quarters or maybe a semi which is the sort of level you expect England to be at

Even the current squad was missing two of its brightest talents - Barkley and Rashford , two players with bag of talent who can hurt teams , then you have players like Sterljng who for Man City this season has been superb and key to the way they have started.

Yes there is a lot of foreign imports into the Prem but can't see that changing but there is IMO still enough talented playing in the Prem that if managed and coached right are capable of progressing in summer tournaments

Well Chris Waddle doesn't agree with you. Just said on Radio 5 that S am Allardyce has far too small a pool of players to pick from and it isn't getting any better.

Just look at last week's results in the EFL Trophy where the U23 teams from most of the PL clubs came in with a view to gaining meaningful experience. Almost without exception the League 1 & 2 clubs, many of whom did not field their strongest teams, came out on top.

The players of Wales and Iceland have lower expectations placed upon them and are, themselves, more realistic about their capabilities.

 

[Imurg]

I'm not sure what everyone was expecting..
It's basically the same team from 3 months ago, the manager's been in place for a month and has had the players for less than a week...
Not much time to effect any real change....