World Cup Qualifiers

[richy]

We're already getting people having a go at Sam without a ball being kicked, so he's on a loser with some regardless

Then they can only be doing that based on his club career. It's all anyone can judge him on really which when you look at it isn't anything special.

It's actually alarming how he is the best English manager we could've got. Shows how much we need to develop our own homegrown coaches instead of going for the quick fix from abroad.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Then they can only be doing that based on his club career. It's all anyone can judge him on really which when you look at it isn't anything special.

It's actually alarming how he is the best English manager we could've got. Shows how much we need to develop our own homegrown coaches instead of going for the quick fix from abroad.

That's a seperate issue though, no way on this earth did I want Allardyce in charge, but he is, let's hope he proves us all wrong,
I prefer me glass half full than half empty.
Even the best manager in the world will only have the same primadonnas to choose from.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We're already getting people having a go at Sam without a ball being kicked, so he's on a loser with some regardless of how he does.
Credit to those who called it correct for the last 6-10 managers and I held my hand up when Roy failed.
Still bores me when we get the same old points coming out before the game.

"Having a go" ?

All anyone is doing is judging the situation and using the managers past career to make a judgement on how they will do with England

Only one previous manager has had a differing England career compared to his club career and that was Capello

McClaren , Hodgson , Taylor - all previous English managers who won the square root of pretty much nothing at the highest level in football and they continued that with their failures in charge of England

And then how did the FA learn from that - they employed another English manager who has won the square root of nothing at the highest level and already he is talking it all down

There is a good number of very talented English players but they will continue to fail at the highest level because they don't have a manager who can succeed at the highest level

 

[Deleted member 16999]

"Having a go" ?

All anyone is doing is judging the situation and using the managers past career to make a judgement on how they will do with England

Only one previous manager has had a differing England career compared to his club career and that was Capello

McClaren , Hodgson , Taylor - all previous English managers who won the square root of pretty much nothing at the highest level in football and they continued that with their failures in charge of England

And then how did the FA learn from that - they employed another English manager who has won the square root of nothing at the highest level and already he is talking it all down

There is a good number of very talented English players but they will continue to fail at the highest level because they don't have a manager who can succeed at the highest level

Don't be so precious, have a look at facebook, twitter, some of the papers, I take very little notice of your opinion on England as you've made it quite clear your feelings towards the National team.

Posting on here the history of failures is all well and good and I'm fully aware of it, I've put he'd not be my choice but he is and me joining the moaners on here or anywhere else won't change it.

Therefore, I'll support him and hope he proves me and every other doubter wrong.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Don't be so precious, have a look at facebook, twitter, some of the papers, I take very little notice of your opinion on England as you've made it quite clear your feelings towards the National team.

Posting on here the history of failures is all well and good and I'm fully aware of it, I've put he'd not be my choice but he is and me joining the moaners on here or anywhere else won't change it.

Therefore, I'll support him and hope he proves me and every other doubter wrong.

For big Sam to say he'd be happy with a point against an average Slovakian side is embarrassing and something Hodgson would've said.

That squad should be beating them game after game. The expectations of the England side have never been lower for what I can remember.

Hodgson was lauded as a genius for a 100% record in previous qualifying against some very average teams, if big Sam doesn't do the same he's a failure.

 

[Backache]

"Having a go" ?

All anyone is doing is judging the situation and using the managers past career to make a judgement on how they will do with England

Only one previous manager has had a differing England career compared to his club career and that was Capello

McClaren , Hodgson , Taylor - all previous English managers who won the square root of pretty much nothing at the highest level in football and they continued that with their failures in charge of England

And then how did the FA learn from that - they employed another English manager who has won the square root of nothing at the highest level and already he is talking it all down

There is a good number of very talented English players but they will continue to fail at the highest level because they don't have a manager who can succeed at the highest level

Revie and Eriksson were successful at a high level and unsuccessful with England, many foreign national managers have not been leading club managers but have done well with their teams.
England have done pretty well at qualifying for most tournaments but then gone out often to teams no better than those they qualified agianst I think you need to look at the premier league structure for Englands failings before their mangers.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

For big Sam to say he'd be happy with a point against an average Slovakian side is embarrassing and something Hodgson would've said.

That squad should be beating them game after game. The expectations of the England side have never been lower for what I can remember.

Hodgson was lauded as a genius for a 100% record in previous qualifying against some very average teams, if big Sam doesn't do the same he's a failure.

The same side we drew with in the Euros, the same players who couldn't score against them, we are away, why should we beat them? Isn't that the attitude we get slagged off for?
Hodgsons gone mate, and I don't remember anyone saying he was a genius, simply that he couldn't of done anymore in qualifying and based on his qualfying record, why shouldn't we have got behind him.
If you read the whole interview he wants to win, hopes to win but would be happy with the draw, maybe his honesty will be his downfall.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The same side we drew with in the Euros, the same players who couldn't score against them, we are away, why should we beat them? Isn't that the attitude we get slagged off for?
Hodgsons gone mate, and I don't remember anyone saying he was a genius, simply that he couldn't of done anymore in qualifying and based on his qualfying record, why shouldn't we have got behind him.
If you read the whole interview he wants to win, hopes to win but would be happy with the draw, maybe his honesty will be his downfall.

Why should England beat them?? Look at the quality of the squads and that'll give you the answer.

England and Hodgson didn't look as if they had a plan to beat anybody at the euros, they were abysmal. It's only El Tel who actually looked like having a plan and played players in their most natural positions at the time, but not necessarily the best players.

Sam has got to prove he's capable of being successful, comments like I'd be happy with a draw doesn't Instill confidence.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why should England beat them?? Look at the quality of the squads and that'll give you the answer.

England and Hodgson didn't look as if they had a plan to beat anybody at the euros, they were abysmal. It's only El Tel who actually looked like having a plan and played players in their most natural positions at the time, but not necessarily the best players.

Sam has got to prove he's capable of being successful, comments like I'd be happy with a draw doesn't Instill confidence.

So all the results in the Euros had nothing to do with the players? It was Roys fault they couldn't pass to each other or make a tackle or jump for a ball, same players mate, reality and expectation is 2 different things.
I take it if we Sam wins the group with a 100% record you expect us to win the World Cup? Personally I'd rather wait and see how Sam gets on.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Revie and Eriksson were successful at a high level and unsuccessful with England, many foreign national managers have not been leading club managers but have done well with their teams.
England have done pretty well at qualifying for most tournaments but then gone out often to teams no better than those they qualified agianst I think you need to look at the premier league structure for Englands failings before their mangers.

Eriksson for me got England to the level that they should be at - quarters of major tournaments - in the best 8 teams of the world is about right for England , with a bit of luck in shootouts it would have been semi's and the who nose. Eriksson did a decent job - maybe could have got a bit more

England should qualify with ease every time - the players they have available are far superior than what they have to face

Blaming the Prem is the typical cop out - all those players that went to the Euro's this summer played well throughout the season under their respective managers - under Hodgson in the finals they turned into clueless idiots on the pitch - that was down to the manager no one else.

The players are there for England to have performances within tournaments you would expect - quarters at the very least and semi finals and maybe a final - but the main thing holding them back is the FA

Alongside Hodgson you had a guy in charge who used to look after the BBC ?! He was replaced by a guy who in and interview on national telly even stated he didn't really know about football ?!! These are the guys shaping the future of English football - businessmen with zero compentancy at football and will go for the safe , easy cheap option - hence Fat Sam getting the job next. So you continue the trend of managers who have done nothing given the England job - the players are there , can't keep blaming the Prem league and lack of winter break etc - it's the FA , the managers they pick and the tactics the managers employ

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Eriksson for me got England to the level that they should be at - quarters of major tournaments - in the best 8 teams of the world is about right for England , with a bit of luck in shootouts it would have been semi's and the who nose. Eriksson did a decent job - maybe could have got a bit more

England should qualify with ease every time - the players they have available are far superior than what they have to face

Blaming the Prem is the typical cop out - all those players that went to the Euro's this summer played well throughout the season under their respective managers - under Hodgson in the finals they turned into clueless idiots on the pitch - that was down to the manager no one else.

The players are there for England to have performances within tournaments you would expect - quarters at the very least and semi finals and maybe a final - but the main thing holding them back is the FA

Alongside Hodgson you had a guy in charge who used to look after the BBC ?! He was replaced by a guy who in and interview on national telly even stated he didn't really know about football ?!! These are the guys shaping the future of English football - businessmen with zero compentancy at football and will go for the safe , easy cheap option - hence Fat Sam getting the job next. So you continue the trend of managers who have done nothing given the England job - the players are there , can't keep blaming the Prem league and lack of winter break etc - it's the FA , the managers they pick and the tactics the managers employ

And the failure cost Roy his job, no responsibility on the players then? His tactics were awful, but please explain how they lost the ability to challenge the opposition or find each other with a pass, once they cross the white line they have to be accountable, against Iceland not one player could come off that pitch with their head up.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

So all the results in the Euros had nothing to do with the players? It was Roys fault they couldn't pass to each other or make a tackle or jump for a ball, same players mate, reality and expectation is 2 different things.
I take it if we Sam wins the group with a 100% record you expect us to win the World Cup? Personally I'd rather wait and see how Sam gets on.

I didn't say that. Every single player who played needed to take responsibility for the abysmal performances equally as much as Hodgson, super pundit, and the back room staff. Playing players out of position was just following the trend of his predecessor's hence my valid point about the euro 96 team. His tactics throughout the tournament were shocking.

I don't expect England to win it but the 1/4's /semis should be the minimum every tournament IMO.

I also expect that England squad to match the effort of their opponents then their quality should win them the games. But to do that they need to be set up to do it.

Unfortunately these days very few footballers can/will think for themselves.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I didn't say that. Every single player who played needed to take responsibility for the abysmal performances equally as much as Hodgson, super pundit, and the back room staff. Playing players out of position was just following the trend of his predecessor's hence my valid point about the euro 96 team. His tactics throughout the tournament were shocking.

I don't expect England to win it but the 1/4's /semis should be the minimum every tournament IMO.

I also expect that England squad to match the effort of their opponents then their quality should win them the games. But to do that they need to be set up to do it.

Unfortunately these days very few footballers can/will think for themselves.

Good post mate and totally agree with every word.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And the failure cost Roy his job, no responsibility on the players then? His tactics were awful, but please explain how they lost the ability to challenge the opposition or find each other with a pass, once they cross the white line they have to be accountable, against Iceland not one player could come off that pitch with their head up.

The manager ultimatly carries the blame - it's up to him to set up the team that suits the players , pick the right players in the first place , not mess around and change things during the tournament and when things aren't going well adapt the team and make changes

Players will always at time have bad games - but you can't "sack" the players

Hodgson rightly carries the blame for Euro because it was his poor management that was the main ingredient for them embarrassing themselves.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The manager ultimatly carries the blame - it's up to him to set up the team that suits the players , pick the right players in the first place , not mess around and change things during the tournament and when things aren't going well adapt the team and make changes

Players will always at time have bad games - but you can't "sack" the players

Hodgson rightly carries the blame for Euro because it was his poor management that was the main ingredient for them embarrassing themselves.

It's not acceptable for 11 players to have the same bad game, Stu summed up the players exactly for me.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Obviously it was Hodgeson who made the players incapable of making a basic pass to a team mate.
The whole tournament was an embarrassment,obviously the manager will take the flack for it,but others were equally as guilty imo.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's not acceptable for 11 players to have the same bad game, Stu summed up the players exactly for me.

So what do you do to the players then ?

You want them to accept responsibility as well so what happens to them ?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

So what do you do to the players then ?

You want them to accept responsibility as well so what happens to them ?

I'd line them all up against the wall the and give them a kick in the balls, if that doesn't learn them nothing will.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I think we can look at both the England rugby an cricket teams to see the difference a change in coach can have. Pretty much the same players, very different outcomes. The players should be ashamed that the improvement is so great but having a really good coach in charge clearly makes a difference. Tactics, attitude, man management, expectations.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So what do you do to the players then ?

You want them to accept responsibility as well so what happens to them ?

We both know how a team works and we both know not everyone will agree with the manager, but once they are on the pitch I expect them to give a 100%, we hear all the time in interviews how they are happy to play in any position in any roll so long as they pull the England shirt on, sat at home we could see after 20 minutes Iceland were first to the ball and more up for the game, that's when I expect players to stand up and be counted.
If the 23 in this squad are the best in this Country then I would hope that even if me or you was the manager they would give 100% on the pitch.