World Cup Qualifiers

[Backache]

So you continue the trend of managers who have done nothing given the England job - the players are there , can't keep blaming the Prem league and lack of winter break etc - it's the FA , the managers they pick and the tactics the managers employ

The players generally play reasonably in the qualifiers under the same managers as they screw up with in the tournaments and the level of opposition is barely any higher They have done it with manager after manager including Eriksson who probably had the best of the crop of the last 25 years.
Non English premier league players rarely flourish at the finals particularly those playing with the top clubs who play European football the PL has a lot to answer for.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

They should also have the nous to work out what is going wrong and sort it out for themselves. Even a quick back to basics for 5 minutes to steady the ship. That was sadly lacking at the Euro's.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We both know how a team works and we both know not everyone will agree with the manager, but once they are on the pitch I expect them to give a 100%, we hear all the time in interviews how they are happy to play in any position in any roll so long as they pull the England shirt on, sat at home we could see after 20 minutes Iceland were first to the ball and more up for the game, that's when I expect players to stand up and be counted.
If the 23 in this squad are the best in this Country then I would hope that even if me or you was the manager they would give 100% on the pitch.

But that doesn't really answer the question though

What do you want to do with the players who failed ?

remember these are the same players that performed very well throughout the season for their respective clubs , played well in qualifiers yet looked like lost sheep in the finals - why the sudden change , why did the manager revert to type and pick out of form , pick players in the wrong position , swap lots of players for one match then drop them all again - it seemed to me the players didn't have the first clue about what was going on and looked totally devoid of any motivation or direction - yes the manager doesn't kick the ball but he has to motivate those players , set them up right , adjust if things aren't working - but he didn't none of that and just sat scratching his chin looking utterly clueless and watching 11 players just stumble around not having the first clue what do - no leader on the pitch , no leader of the pitch. Those players picked were good enough to get to the semi's - but they can't do it without direction

Do players take responsiblity when they play poorly and without heart without effort - yes they will but ultimatly you can't sack a whole squad of players and if it's one or two playing poorly then you sub them - but the whole 11 players on the pitch - then you look at the common denominator - the manager

So the players won't pay any price for failures especially when it's the whole team but the manager rightly will.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Come on Phil, these are professional sportsmen at the top of their game, they shouldn't need to be told how to play football, they couldn't string 2 passes together or make a tackle, that's not down to Hodgson, the set up, tactics, yes, but basic football skills?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Come on Phil, these are professional sportsmen at the top of their game, they shouldn't need to be told how to play football, they couldn't string 2 passes together or make a tackle, that's not down to Hodgson, the set up, tactics, yes, but basic football skills?

But it happens though doesn't it -good players play poorly over a certain period because of the manager

Look at Chelsea over the last two and bit seasons - one season untouchable , next season same players and shocking - same players but differing performances - why ? Clearly looking at this season there was problems with the manager

We have seen it happens for decades - good teams going through poor periods

So what do you want to do to the players when it happens ?

Did Everton sack the players and punish them when they clearly under performed last year ? Nope the manager lost his job - all year we kept hearing it was the manager at fault for the poor performances - not the players

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if the players take responsibility or not because you can't sack a whole squad

So what exactly can you do ? You sack the manager and see what happens next

The team is the responsibility of the manager - it's up to him to get them working and playing to their highest potential , if it's not working then it's up to him to make the changes , Hodgson could clearly see it wasn't working against Iceland - what did he do to change things beyond scratching his chin ? Nothing and they continued to under perform - footballers are simple people , over paid but need their hands held and they also need to be motivated and also need to have a clear tactical plan in their head - if that hasn't been given then they will be all over the place

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But it happens though doesn't it -good players play poorly over a certain period because of the manager

Look at Chelsea over the last two and bit seasons - one season untouchable , next season same players and shocking - same players but differing performances - why ? Clearly looking at this season there was problems with the manager

We have seen it happens for decades - good teams going through poor periods

So what do you want to do to the players when it happens ?

Did Everton sack the players and punish them when they clearly under performed last year ? Nope the manager lost his job - all year we kept hearing it was the manager at fault for the poor performances - not the players

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if the players take responsibility or not because you can't sack a whole squad

So what exactly can you do ? You sack the manager and see what happens next

The team is the responsibility of the manager - it's up to him to get them working and playing to their highest potential , if it's not working then it's up to him to make the changes , Hodgson could clearly see it wasn't working against Iceland - what did he do to change things beyond scratching his chin ? Nothing and they continued to under perform - footballers are simple people , over paid but need their hands held and they also need to be motivated and also need to have a clear tactical plan in their head - if that hasn't been given then they will be all over the place

OK, so some fair points, but for all that you've already written Sam off without giving him a chance based on his past, who's to say this isn't the right combination?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

OK, so some fair points, but for all that you've already written Sam off without giving him a chance based on his past, who's to say this isn't the right combination?

Because there is nothing to suggest that will be the case

All history points to is no different than what England had before - a 20 year career manager who has had zero success at a high level beyond keeping mid table teams in the Prem , at least Hodgson had a bit of experience abroad but unless you count Limerick Fat Sam is a just a manager of mid table teams - that straight is no different than people like Taylor , McClaren and Hodgson.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Some terrible first touches by England players!

 

[Robobum]

Because there is nothing to suggest that will be the case

All history points to is no different than what England had before - a 20 year career manager who has had zero success at a high level beyond keeping mid table teams in the Prem , at least Hodgson had a bit of experience abroad but unless you count Limerick Fat Sam is a just a manager of mid table teams - that straight is no different than people like Taylor , McClaren and Hodgson.

Why do you feel the need to prefix his name with anything?

 

[User20205]

Why do you feel the need to prefix his name with anything?

It's what Phil does, he loves a nickname. Maybe we should 'christen' him. Any ideas??

 

[Pin-seeker]

I wonder if other nations have knobs that watch the national team hoping that they fail.
Or is it just an English thing?

 

[Robobum]

I wonder if other nations have knobs that watch the national team hoping that they fail.
Or is it just an English thing?

Just a knob thing

 

[Pin-seeker]

Just a knob thing

Yeah probably,quite sad tho really.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Can we keep the thread to discussing Football rather than it deteriorating into another waste of a thread that gets personal.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Can we keep the thread to discussing Football rather than it deteriorating into another waste of a thread that gets personal.

Ok Mod Paul 👍🏻

 

[User20205]

Can we keep the thread to discussing Football rather than it deteriorating into another waste of a thread that gets personal.

It's not being discussed, the same laboured point is being repeated made, just like all the other football threads.
Give Sam a chance, at least give him a few games.

 

[Robobum]

Can we keep the thread to discussing Football rather than it deteriorating into another waste of a thread that gets personal.

Keep it as a waste of a thread slagging off people you don't know? Ok 👍

 

[Pin-seeker]

The pitch seems to be cutting up easy.
Some right divots coming up.

 

[richy]

It's what Phil does, he loves a nickname. Maybe we should 'christen' him. Any ideas??

He's already got GooglePhil

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Keep it as a waste of a thread slagging off people you don't know? Ok 👍

You asked Phil a fair straightforward question, which up to now he hasn't answered, why does it then have to go downhill with petty comments,