Winter matchplay unfairness for low handicappers

[Deleted member 16999]

Name and club to back up cat 1 for 40. Years status claim? Look at the comments from other low handicappers most agree it's much easier for high handicappers. It's fact. There is no way if you had all this experience you wouldn't be able to see this. How many yards are knocked off your course in winter? Maybe you have never experienced this and so have no knowledge. Our course has large revines with tight tee shots through trees but in winter these are missed out, takes all the danger from hole and shortens them massively so accuracy and distance no longer important just comes down to a chip and putt. Still a few holes that we don't mind giving shots. Birdies are not particularly easier in winter, yes you get closer but putting on winter greens is bobbly and ball doesn't hold its line but pars are easier as greens slower and so much easier for lag putts with a shot.

Mate, you really are losing credibility and coming across as a brat, you may not know him, but to start questioning the integrity of one the most well known and liked guys on the forum is daft.

Take a look in the mirror, your opening post stated you’re off 9 but are probably better than that, should we ask you if you’re a bandit and question your integrity?

 

[2blue]

12 month course = 12 month competition. Know of many a Board Comp in the winter. Stop playing in the arctic if I was you!

On a course that's shortened 1,000yds..... hahaha..... yer getting mixed up with the Xmas Raffle Board... com'om come clean... where you playing??

 

[Homer]

On a course that's shortened 1,000yds..... hahaha..... yer getting mixed up with the Xmas Raffle Board... com'om come clean... where you playing??

Nowhere like that in the South East!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

12 month course = 12 month competition. Know of many a Board Comp in the winter. Stop playing in the arctic if I was you!

Totally. We're open, full length all year. Course comes back to a good condition each year and good enough for the Jamega tour boys to visit a couple of times a year. We are in Berkshire so don't get the extremities of the weather in winter so why not make the most of it. Our head greenkeeper has been in place about 3 years and made a huge difference and if he said the course was struggling and needed to be shut (we have gone to 9 when we had the really wet winter three or four years ago) then he'd be listened to. Until then the members are really happy to have a full course all year and able to play comps off the whites

 

[Twissy22]

Mate, you really are losing credibility and coming across as a brat, you may not know him, but to start questioning the integrity of one the most well known and liked guys on the forum is daft.

Take a look in the mirror, your opening post stated you’re off 9 but are probably better than that, should we ask you if you’re a bandit and question your integrity?

I'm not your mate, you can question my credibility, IV had a bad season and gone upto 9 from 7. I can play better than 9 sure. You might be mates with hobbit but I don't know him and I think he's talking nonsense, it's a fact on a shortened course it suits higher handicappers or at least at my course even the high handicappers at our course say this I won winter league when I started playing golf of 18, his reply is that's it's not and just sour grapes. Then he's comes out with 50 years cat 1 stuff. Sorry so if he says it's actually easier for low handicappers on shortened winter course and he has these 50 years as cat 1 golfer then hes correct, I stand corrected hobbits right. So much easier for low handicappers, IV not won a match against high handicappers for years just because I play so bad and so its sour grapes on my part. Anyway my whole question was what other clubs do in winter when course shortened?

 

[Twissy22]

We all know where Hobbit has player his golf for many a year & where he is now but I'm struggling to think of a links that has large ravines with tight shots through trees??? etc.... Where is you play??

It's not links it's parkland course.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm not your mate, you can question my credibility, IV had a bad season and gone upto 9 from 7. I can play better than 9 sure. You might be mates with hobbit but I don't know him and I think he's talking nonsense, it's a fact on a shortened course it suits higher handicappers or at least at my course even the high handicappers at our course say this I won winter league when I started playing golf of 18, his reply is that's it's not and just sour grapes. Then he's comes out with 50 years cat 1 stuff. Sorry so if he says it's actually easier for low handicappers on shortened winter course and he has these 50 years as cat 1 golfer then hes correct, I stand corrected hobbits right. So much easier for low handicappers, IV not won a match against high handicappers for years just because I play so bad and so its sour grapes on my part. Anyway my whole question was what other clubs do in winter when course shortened?

Stick your mate comment were the sun don’t shine.
Your wrong, any length of course suits the better golfer, that’s why they are the better golfer.
Not one person has backed you up and you’re throwing your teddy, you lost, move on.
Nice to see you’re avoiding saying were you play

 

[patricks148]

Stick your mate comment were the sun don’t shine.
Your wrong, any length of course suits the better golfer, that’s why they are the better golfer.
Not one person has backed you up and you’re throwing your teddy, you lost, move on.
Nice to see you’re avoiding saying were you play

I thought gerry and mendie agreed?

I would tend to agree to a certain extent, no rough, shorter course and slower greens set favour higher handicaps around the course I'm playing this winter, summer no question lower should win. Just looked at last week's results , top 10 no one under a 12 handicap, 45 points by a 23 won , just my opinion of course😉

 

[Jamesbrown]

when par threes are reduced from 190-210 to 140 it’s game over. The advantage is with the high handicapper. Most high handicappers relish with shorter distances. 2 putts par and a nett birdie and you might as well of not got out of bed.
I know some of our members want shot of the winter league.
Our Seniors have a winter Stableford league, which most I play with are in favour of adopting in the men’s.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I thought gerry and mendie agreed?

I would tend to agree to a certain extent, no rough, shorter course and slower greens set favour higher handicaps around the course I'm playing this winter, summer no question lower should win. Just looked at last week's results , top 10 no one under a 12 handicap, 45 points by a 23 won , just my opinion of course😉

Mendie is a Cat 1, the thread starter is off 9, same as me. The course is the course, everybody gets it easier in theory, look at Mendie’s score he quoted.
He wants the system loaded in his favour, if that’s the case, stick to gross comps, but then he’ll probably moan that that suits the scratch golfers.

 

[HankMarvin]

I thought this thread was going to be about low handicappers but 9 isn't exactly low is it.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Surely if putting conditions are that irregular, its will affect all hcp standards, and not just the semi low

Welcome btw, nice to see new blood entering the spirit of things here

 

[Tashyboy]

Glad I never contributed on here 😂

 

[Wolf]

Stand by my earlier comments it all seems a little sour because of the initial post wins all 4 before shortened course but can't win after which is subsequently denied in later posts.

Short course or long course is same for everyone playing it. To say a low handicapper wont hole putts because of greens is ridiculous you can say the same for high handicappers,. Plus the higher player more likely to be erratic off the tee regardless of how long a hole is. Through the course of 18 holes the low guy should still out score the higher player especially in Matchplay, if you were saying stableford full allowance then I'd agree favours the higher player because they can protect more, but Matchplay all you have to do is put them under more pressure and the difference in levels will come through.

Im also interested in the OP course tight tree lined ravine holes... I'd like to know where it is.

 

[User20204]

Just had a quick browse through this topic and am I reading this correctly that folk actually think a shortened course suits low guys more than high in winter ? If so, you really need to leave the crystal meths alone. No rough, slow greens, much shorter par 4s all leads to suiting higher H/caps.

On another matter, as posted above, I certainly don't see someone off of 9 as a low handicap, cat 1 yes, 6 or 7 maybe, anything above isn't low in my book.

Just my tuppence.

 

[Robin Hood]

Is the course on PlayStation by EA sports.

 

[Jacko_G]

Love when this debate pops up, usually about 4 times a year.

I know what side of the fence I sit on.

It's a pointless debate from previous threads. However it's still a good read.

 

[Hackers76]

Just had a quick browse through this topic and am I reading this correctly that folk actually think a shortened course suits low guys more than high in winter ? If so, you really need to leave the crystal meths alone. No rough, slow greens, much shorter par 4s all leads to suiting higher H/caps.

On another matter, as posted above, I certainly don't see someone off of 9 as a low handicap, cat 1 yes, 6 or 7 maybe, anything above isn't low in my book.

Just my tuppence.

My course has no winter tees or greens so plays the same length all year round. Definitely an advantage to low H/C where I am

 

[User20204]

My course has no winter tees or greens so plays the same length all year round. Definitely an advantage to low H/C where I am

How do they manage to protect the course in the winter ? Off topic I know but find that interesting from a course management perspective.

Oh and I agree, if you're playing a full tees/greens course then quite possibly would suit lower guys which is possibly why the topic is split, those who play full course against those who play shorter winter courses.

 

[Twissy22]

Stick your mate comment were the sun don’t shine.
Your wrong, any length of course suits the better golfer, that’s why they are the better golfer.
Not one person has backed you up and you’re throwing your teddy, you lost, move on.
Nice to see you’re avoiding saying were you play

Stick your mate comment were the sun don’t shine.
Your wrong, any length of course suits the better golfer, that’s why they are the better golfer.
Not one person has backed you up and you’re throwing your teddy, you lost, move on.
Nice to see you’re avoiding saying were you play

If it suits better golfer that's fine, obviously if I'm off 9 and the other lad is if 20 I'm better golfer but it's handicap golf so it's not better golfer. Everyone even the high handicappers say it's easier for high handicappers in winter.

Mendie is a Cat 1, the thread starter is off 9, same as me. The course is the course, everybody gets it easier in theory, look at Mendie’s score he quoted.
He wants the system loaded in his favour, if that’s the case, stick to gross comps, but then he’ll probably moan that that suits the scratch golfers.

How do I want things loaded in my favour? All I was asking was what other clubs do to address higher handicappers on shortened course, some people have said 3/4 handicaps for winter or 3/4 of difference so these clubs maybe similar to mine. Yes I'm only of 9 and not exactly low. It was even worse last few years as was off 7. IV played much better this winter and have two extra shots and still can't win a game on the shortened course. Don't get me started on the winter greens with buckets that club decided to start using, even worse, a lad shanked twice hit 2 trees then chipped in for par with shot last weekend